To be worried that Biden could be worse than Trump

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Regarding foreign policy that is. I worry that Biden could be more hawk like than Trump and start or get involved in lots of wars? But I’m so pleased Trump is going, i couldn’t stand the man and I remember when he first got in I was petrified he’d start the next big war. But he didn’t and now I worry if Biden will be the one.

If the democrats don't start a war within the next few years I'll be very surprised. It's not about Biden as such, it's about the policies of the democratic party. Look at all the wars Obama got involved in - why does no one seem to remember this??

Firstly let me say I was no supporter of Trump - awful man and very divisive. However, I don't think Biden will be as good for the economy or the UK as some people think. Biden got in because he wasn't Trump, but his policies aren't business friendly and I don't believe they will strengthen the US economy as they stand. Additionally, he'll be pro-Europe, I don't think he'll be anti-UK, but he's certainly not pro as he'd prefer the UK to be part of Europe.

Seriously????

Even if Joe Biden was inclined to start a war (which he isn't) don't you think he has more pressing domestic issues to attend to?
10.1 million Covid cases and counting - that's one third of the total cases in the World.

Don't get me started on the rest of Trump's "legacy" - Joe Biden is inheriting a deeply divided nation and I'm sure that trying to repair that rift will be high on his agenda along with healthcare and education etc.

Look at all the wars Obama got involved in - why does no one seem to remember this??
And these were? Do enlighten us

@germolenequeen Look at all the 'pressing issues' Obama had to deal with. Yet he was at war throughout his presidency. The two issues are not mutually exclusive.

Maybe that Trump wasn’t really warlike after all, he calmed the N Korean situation

😆 . I can’t believe people believe this shit.

He created a problem that could have started a war, then backed off when he thought he had a deal. He didn’t have a deal, and NK is in exactly the same situation it has been for decades.

What a weird thought. Read some unbiased newspapers and start to question why we're in such an unstable position rather than this bizarre deflection.

Which wars did President Obama get involved in exactly? Refresh my memory.

@Germolenequeen

Look at all the wars Obama got involved in - why does no one seem to remember this?? And these were? Do enlighten us

I’ve just googled - a hell of a lot it seems.

@AdoptedBumpkin

TBH I am not sure a 78-year-old with possible dementia will be wanting to go to war if they can avoid it. I suspect Biden will keep the seat warm for Harris, and she will fight the next election.

I wish people would stop with this ‘Biden has dementia’ nonsense.

Doctored videos were circulated on Twitter which aimed to ‘prove’ Biden has dementia and were viewed over a million times before Twitter took them down - because they were faked. Just another horrible lie/smear perpetrated by Trump and his followers.

Yes, I’m sure he’s made the odd gaff in speeches on the campaign trail. I imagine I would give that degree of pressure and the mental and physical rigours of the campaign trail, and I’m more than thirty years younger than him.

Yes, he sometimes speaks a little slowly. He has to do this to control the stammer he’s had his entire life. Imagine having to get up in front of the entire world to make a speech knowing you have a stammer.

I’d love to know how people imagine a 78 year old with dementia was able to take to the stage in front of millions worldwide and pull off that long speech, pretty much word perfect.

And to the poster who claims he is pro-life, this is simply not true. He is on record as being very much pro-choice.

In answer to your question OP, yes, you are very, very unreasonable to think he could be worse than Trump.

@germolenequeen For example, have a read of this: [https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy]

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/09/america-dropped-26171-bombs-2016-obama-legacy

@Somerford - in your post you mention how the last Democrat that held the office of President was at war for every day of his presidency.
They would be the wars that he inherited from George W Bush, right? The wars that couldn't be stopped overnight and the ones that Obama reduced the numbers of deployed service men and women in, in order to bring them to an end? Those wars??

Biden is a very peaceful man and threads like this are akin to Trump and his supporters saying there is voter fraud without a single shred of evidence!

years but generally the US has acted as a stabilising force globally since WW1, helping to promote and maintain democracy across the world

Lmao

Obama inherited the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq from Bush. By the time he came into the office, the fear was that sudden withdrawal would lead to more deaths than staying the course and trying to stabilise things. That was very debatable of course, but there was a reasonable argument for it. The bulk of American troops left Iraq and Afghanistan during Obama's presidency.

Obama did agree to the intervention in Libya, yes. So did the UK, France and a number of countries in the region. Russia could have stopped it with a UNSC veto but didn't. That wasn't Obama out there on his own bombing people, that was a UN-sanctioned humanitarian intervention (which I agree ended up going too far but the UK and France have a lot to do with that too).

I'm not saying Obama was blameless, he did authorise a pretty robust counter-terrorism programme and I would criticise a lot of things he did. But he did balance that with good diplomacy, reaching out to parts of the world that the US had terrible relations with, generally trying to reduce tensions where possible. I imagine Biden will do the same.

Trump may not have started a massive new war but he was tremendously destabilising on the world stage, alienated huge numbers of people with his racist behaviour, was a complete nightmare in terms of not following security protocols, where do you start with Russia. War is not the only way to kill people or put them in danger.

Why does he have dementia because he’s 78?

Ageist

Oh yes, and Iran. Thanks to Trump, Iran is probably going to finally develop a nuclear weapon, at which point Saudi and possibly Egypt will as well, which should do wonders for peace in the Middle East.

While I loathed Trump, he played hard cop quite well while staying out of new conflicts. The PRC is definitely inclined to flex its new muscles in Asia-Pacific and along the Silk Road via its investments. He didn't get embroiled in anything new, and may just have knitted together some frail tentative links between Israel and its ME neighbours.

His domestic policies and personal conduct leave a great deal to be desired.

Of course you’re not unreasonable to be worried. The US spends more on its military than the next 12 countries COMBINED. They don’t do that for shits and giggles, they do that to violently force the world to align to its strategic interests as and when deemed necessary.

Neither Biden nor Trump nor any other President are the ones itching for war (George W excepted) - it’s the people behind them + the huge arms/oil industry.

But yes, perhaps as the Crazy Mad President, Trump May have been more able and more willing to reject that pressure than a more typical US President like Biden.

My hope with Biden is that the US will start sorting its shit on combatting climate change and will simmer relations with China which were getting overheated to nobody’s benefit.

[quote LookItsMeAgain]@Somerford - in your post you mention how the last Democrat that held the office of President was at war for every day of his presidency.
They would be the wars that he inherited from George W Bush, right? The wars that couldn't be stopped overnight and the ones that Obama reduced the numbers of deployed service men and women in, in order to bring them to an end? Those wars??

Biden is a very peaceful man and threads like this are akin to Trump and his supporters saying there is voter fraud without a single shred of evidence![/quote]
Oh give over. Couldn't be stopped over night? He had 8 years. Obama's record in North Africa and the Middle East is appalling and no amount of Mumsnet berks trying to sweep it under the rug will make it go away. If you're happy to excuse the amount of blood on Obama's hands because he's on your team, well that's on you isn't it.

With Kamala running things behind the scenes, I think yours fears may be unfounded.

@Ontherightpathagain
It’s not Democrats or Republicans. It’s America - the most war hungry nation in the history of the world. We give them a pass because they look and talk like us and make fun shit.

I agree with @FlouncingBabooshka . I wish people would shut up about dementia - the allegation doesn't have any basis.

Take comfort. Biden might not be ideal either - indeed I suspect he netted a great many votes of the basis of Not-Trump - but no one could possibly be worse than Trump. If there's any doubt of his self-interest and complete lack of suitability for the position of POTUS, the way in which he's trying to undermine a fair, democratic election not least the fabric of American society should be enough to convince you.

The man is nothing short of dangerous.