To be worried that Biden could be worse than Trump

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Regarding foreign policy that is. I worry that Biden could be more hawk like than Trump and start or get involved in lots of wars? But I’m so pleased Trump is going, i couldn’t stand the man and I remember when he first got in I was petrified he’d start the next big war. But he didn’t and now I worry if Biden will be the one.

@Cam77 I agree with you

And the British government never got involved in wars did they?

I believe it was in fact Tony Blair who made the spurious claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction which could reach the UK in a matter of minutes and authorised troops to go in there.

Iraq is the unstable place it is today predominantly because of our intervention there.

And wtf is this obsession with thinking that Biden must have dementia? Just exactly what is the medical qualifications of the people claiming this and how long have they spent in his company making their diagnosis?

I listened to his speech today on COVID and I like him.

And Trump was (mercifully) conspicuous in his absence I see....

Obama's record in North Africa and the Middle East is appalling

So what do you think he should have done differently?

@AlternativePerspective Of course the Uk has started & been involved in plenty of wars. No one is denying that. We seem to get involved in America's wars far too quickly and frequently for my liking.

He is much less protectionist than Trump- eg too priorities are to get back into the Paris agreement re climate change and to put the US back in WHO.

So you could say hes more likely to enter into foreign political agenda.

That said he will be much firmer on Russia and China than Trump which I think will only be of a benefit to world peace as they are large threats.

I feel like Trump would have burned a whole nation down just to have claimed the victory of retaliation or to kill an enemy so I'm please Biden is in charge.

@Ontherightpathagain @dreamingbohemian has it down 100%

Unlike Trump,Biden actually has a history of holding public office. His stance on issues is well known.

Unlike trump, he’s shown throughout decades in public office that he’s not a megalomaniac

He’s nothing like trump

NOBODY could be worse than Trump.

@Cam77

Of course you’re not unreasonable to be worried. The US spends more on its military than the next 12 countries COMBINED. They don’t do that for shits and giggles, they do that to violently force the world to align to its strategic interests as and when deemed necessary.

Neither Biden nor Trump nor any other President are the ones itching for war (George W excepted) - it’s the people behind them + the huge arms/oil industry.

But yes, perhaps as the Crazy Mad President, Trump May have been more able and more willing to reject that pressure than a more typical US President like Biden.

My hope with Biden is that the US will start sorting its shit on combatting climate change and will simmer relations with China which were getting overheated to nobody’s benefit.

Thank you for this. I agree.

@Cam77, I feel you have the wrong end of the stick. The US is not hungry for wars compared to, for example, Vladimir Putin. They seek influence, definitely, and have been handed the role of global policeman, because they are the richest country and best able to pay for policing. Japan is never expected to step up to impose order in moments of conflict. Few people would trust China to do so. The EU could not agree on how to proceed. You might argue that the US is unfortunately reluctant to exercise their power in the general, greater interest of humanity.

@Porcupineinwaiting

Obama's record in North Africa and the Middle East is appalling

So what do you think he should have done differently?

Look at the state of Libya now, is that alright with you? Are you OK with the number of people who were beheaded, drowned, thrown from roof tops and burned alive by ISIS who had a seemingly infinite supply of American arms and money? Happy with the normalisation of drone strikes?

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@Somerford , do you remember Ronald Reagan bombing Libiya back in 1986 ?

@3ormorecharacters and @ANoTail have it right in my view. I think it's a really common but completely wrong perception that Repiblicans are warmongers and Democrats are peace loving. The division - as far as there is one any more - is more between globalist/interventionist (historically Dem territory) and isolationist (more Rep) Trump broke with a recent history of both Rep and Dem Presidents taking on that "global police man role". Trump talked a good game at saving money and American lives by withdrawing from global responsibilities e.g. to NATO. Same as with the climate change commitments. He was pushing a rabid America First policy.

Sorry Libya , just wrote it how Donald pronounces it , oops

There is no evidence that Biden is likely to want to start any wars! He has a huge amount of experience, including international as opposed to Trump who had no experience in anything other than running bankrupt businesses.

You're being silly.

I do remember Ronald Reagan invading Grenada, a member of the Commonwealth, having been critical of the UK's defense of the Falklands.

[quote Cam77]@Ontherightpathagain
It’s not Democrats or Republicans. It’s America - the most war hungry nation in the history of the world. We give them a pass because they look and talk like us and make fun shit.[/quote]
Yeah as a Yank I'm really not accepting any holier-than-thou lectures on warmongering from the former British Empire.

Not to mention the UK also participated in every war mentioned so far in this thread.

@3ormorecharacters

I think he'll probably be more interventionist abroad but I think that's not necessarily a bad thing. Obviously a lot of stuff has gone wrong in the Middle East over the last 20 years but generally the US has acted as a stabilising force globally since WW1, helping to promote and maintain democracy across the world. I think we really missed that when Trump was in power and things felt much more fragile knowing that the US was unlikely to step in to 'save' anyone.

I would argue with that... in the past 20 years in the ME things went sideways exactly because US can't tolerate other cultures and values.

For example... Iraq was a not too bad place. From an everyday perspective it was actually going along great. You had the underground cultural movements, but even to some extent they were okay. As a society the majority of the people there actually wanted to live in a state where the lines were clear cut. There was a minority who didn't like it, but from an overall perspective it was working. And than america had to go in guns ablaze in the name of morality, ethics and human rights. (of course it was never about oil)

and now? the country is torn apart, everyday life has never resumed to peace-like levels as before and it doesn't look like there will be a democracy there anytime soon.

Why do we think in Europe/US that our way is the only way?

It’s amazing how the Trump presidency and misinformation campaigns have made even British people think such amazingly ridiculous crap about Biden

LOL NO. Are you on acid?

Please. Take a look at some Biden history. He is not a war monger. He is a seasoned politician who believes in facts, history and common sense. He also believes in consulting with, and listening to, those with most knowledge of situations.

If you find things such as this worrying, it might benefit you to do some research so that you can put your fears to rest. Not to be mean, but in politics ignorance is not bliss.

@3ormorecharacters

I think he'll probably be more interventionist abroad but I think that's not necessarily a bad thing. Obviously a lot of stuff has gone wrong in the Middle East over the last 20 years but generally the US has acted as a stabilising force globally since WW1, helping to promote and maintain democracy across the world. I think we really missed that when Trump was in power and things felt much more fragile knowing that the US was unlikely to step in to 'save' anyone.

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Oh Jesus that made me laugh.. bloody hell you should try saying that to the bloody people who they have ‘helped out’! After WW2 America resolved that they must prevent any hostile force from from dominating any regions of critical geo-economic significance. And low and behold the oil fields in the Middle East and the power they hold.

USA interfere and instigate. They have been always lurking in the back ground at pivotal uprisings right back to 1979, when the people protested against the American-backed Shah of Iran which held a brutal police state - which led to the declaration of Islamic Republic. But hell it goes back to 1953 when the CIA instigated a coup that toppled a democratically elected Prime minister, can you not remember or even read about the US embassy being stormed by Iranian Students and holding hostages for 400 days?

Educate yourself. The US have caused most of the fighting in the Middle East for decades.

Dont expect Biden to be any different.

The US is one of the most isolationist nations on the planet. They seek to influence politics behind the scenes, support their preferred interests, but the nation has little conviction that overseas adventures are in the real interest of the USA.