To want to know if the Republicans have any grounds to suspect fraud

[DynamoKev]

Not a fan of either Trump or Biden.

Due to Trump's pathetic behaviour it is easy to dismiss his claims.

But some claims (if true) seem to be worthy of investigation.

@MetalMoo

He's basically trying to rile up his supporters and sending out fundraising emails which admit (in the small print) that half of the money raised will be used to discharge his campaign's debts (they've still not paid several of the venues where he held rallies). He's a conman.

Pretty much

@DynamoKev

Part of the problem is not being able to trust every online source. There are claims of 95% turnout in at least one place, of tranches of votes without a single vote for Trump (possible but surely a little unlikely) and of dead people apparently casting ballots.

I realise and fully accept that some or all of these claims could be false and that they in any case may not affect the outcome.

Me too, I dont know what to believe anymore. I find it very bizarre that an old white man that didn't impress much during the campaign earned more votes than Barack Obama (is that right?!). Now you mentioned 95% turnout, is that even credible? I've seen people on youtube complaining they could not do their job during vote count (more than one person, multiple channels). The kind of stuff I expect from third world countries (I'm from one myself), not from the US. Sorry about grammar mistakes, English is not my first language. I'm a bit disappointed tbh.

[quote ListeningQuietly]Dead people can get ELECTED in the USA
why worry about them voting
www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2020/11/05/us-election-dead-man-on-the-ballot-wins-his-seat[/quote]
And it's not the first time that's happened.

I find it very bizarre that an old white man that didn't impress much during the campaign earned more votes than Barack Obama (is that right?!)

It's correct -- voting became a low-impact activity and it drove participation. Ballots were sent out ahead of time and all one had to do was mark it and send it back. This is vastly different to having to take time out to turn up to a polling place on the day, or having to request an absentee ballot weeks in advance and remember to post it.

More voters were on both sides this time. That's not a surprise.

There are claims of 95% turnout in at least one place, of tranches of votes without a single vote for Trump (possible but surely a little unlikely) and of dead people apparently casting ballots.

Claims aren't truth and YouTube isn't a credible source. If those claims are true they'd be first up in court -- it's very telling that they are not.

There is evidence. A full investigation is now taking place:

I understand there are a number of inconsistences:

• Postal votes were irregular and unchecked
• Invigilators were not able to check a single vote due to 'covid' and were forced to stand six metres away from the counters
• Rigging via using absentee votes was prevalent in many states and those that have deceased
• Postal vote system was known to be wide open to at scale fraud. It was present in past elections, and was not fixed

Many of democrats will concede there is some truth to all of this.
The burden of evidence will be produced and examined in court.

Until then NO ONE can claim victory. I am incredulous that just because the media said Biden won somehow that means he has won. In reality it is far from a done deal, and will be contested. Anyone with any understanding of the law knows that we have to wait to the court's conclusion.

Additionally it does not help Mr Biden or the American people to know he is presiding over a fudged and fraud of an election and presidency - and quite frankly could push the country into civil war.

Any victory to claim to victory is premature and the media in general have acted entirely irresponsibly and it has honestly been totally astonishing how it has been reported. We only have to imagine if this was the other way around. The journalistic forces would have left no stone unturned to find the source of the claims.

We have to wait for the conclusion of the legal processes.

my son did an mail in ballot, first he registered, then they check and see if his address and name and who knows what else they asked him is confirmed, then they mail him the ballot to him, he fill it in and seal it with an envelope and on the back of the envelope, he put his name and signature and I signed it too as his witness and we mail it.

I didn't like the fact that our signature is exposed to post office workers, I hope they make a seal flap to cover it.

Haven't most of his legal team abandoned him because this is all bollocks and they want no part in it?

@Ihaveyourback

There is evidence. A full investigation is now taking place:

I understand there are a number of inconsistences:

• Postal votes were irregular and unchecked
• Invigilators were not able to check a single vote due to 'covid' and were forced to stand six metres away from the counters
• Rigging via using absentee votes was prevalent in many states and those that have deceased
• Postal vote system was known to be wide open to at scale fraud. It was present in past elections, and was not fixed

Many of democrats will concede there is some truth to all of this.
The burden of evidence will be produced and examined in court.

Until then NO ONE can claim victory. I am incredulous that just because the media said Biden won somehow that means he has won. In reality it is far from a done deal, and will be contested. Anyone with any understanding of the law knows that we have to wait to the court's conclusion.

Additionally it does not help Mr Biden or the American people to know he is presiding over a fudged and fraud of an election and presidency - and quite frankly could push the country into civil war.

Any victory to claim to victory is premature and the media in general have acted entirely irresponsibly and it has honestly been totally astonishing how it has been reported. We only have to imagine if this was the other way around. The journalistic forces would have left no stone unturned to find the source of the claims.

We have to wait for the conclusion of the legal processes.

Lol you're funny! Deluded, but funny.

There is evidence. A full investigation is now taking place:
Hogwash.
Postal vote system was known to be wide open to at scale fraud. It was present in past elections, and was not fixed
Utter Hogwash
I am incredulous that just because the media said Biden won somehow that means he has won
But Trump was happy when the media called him as the winner in 2016
weeks before counting finished

He's a bad loser.
That is all.

The 'dead people voted' was bought out against the Bush victory in 2000. So if it does go on, would say it happens on both sides.
If american democracy has taken such a dive, it didn't just happen now. If, IF, any of this is true, its been happening in previous elections too

Yes but very very few elections have been as tight as this one, and that is the difference cold

@Ihaveyourback agree 100%

What, not as close as the 2000 election?
Or the 2016 which was won by less then 2% in the swing states? (And didn't win the popular vote?)

@ihaveyourback how is it close even leaving aside the states yet to call, biden currently leads the electoral college with 279 to 214 votes. He's also smashing the popular vote.

Are you perhaps confusing the the fact that that it took to long to declare because of the postal votes with an actual close race? Given your earlier post, I wonder if you need to fact check whatever you are getting your info from cause it's all a bit #fakenews

@Ladyks you agree with the post about it being a close election? ??

Postal voting, by design, is prone to fraud. It doesn’t have to be the Republicans claiming that it is. If they are looking hard enough they will find examples of postal fraud, whether it would be enough to turn the election result is another matter.

@sst1234

Here's how I vote in the uk: I turn up, I tell them my name. They let me in. No id required, never even been asked to even give my address. How is that system any less open to fraud than the intricate, crossed checked systems being run in the us this year (oh yeah, and many years before this, which everyone has somehow forgotten)

@Ihaveyourback

Are you a) Melania or b) on crack?

We have to wait for the conclusion of the legal processes.

So all the channels (CNN, BBC, NYT etc) declaring the winner were premature then? Some electoral authority is still deciding / investigating?

@StrippedFridge

They would have us believe the US electoral system can enable hundreds of thousands of fake votes AND this only mattered in this election AND this was only taken advantage of by Democrats not Republicans AND only in swing states where the Democrats beat Trump.

Seems unlikely to me.

Furthermore, if one side knew voter fraud at scale were possible, which side would have used it? Trump of course.

I think that last bit comes under the commonly used trump tactic of accusing the other side of doing the thing you are covering up.

He’s been throwing the fraudulent votes thing around for a while in various guises. It’s been fact checked a lot. I believe only one candidate told their voters to try and vote more than once.

With the dead voters thing. - obviously there are some dead people who are still registered but I think in some states mailed ballots can be counted provided they were posted before the voter died. It depends on the law in the state. However state voting laws I don’t like don’t equal fraud.

Trump’s total outrage at the fact the heavy weighting of the Mail in votes towards the democrats is hilarious.

People are hardly going to find his claims credible when he is protestimg about things that were perfectly legal to do. Eg,the whole "Stop the count" business in Pennsylvania where it is written into their electoral law that mail-in ballots will be counted as long as they are postmarked by the date of the election. It would actually be electoral fraud not to count those votes. Of course he didn't make such a fuss about stopping the count in states where he was doing better.

I have also seen Trump and some of his supporters saying that it's suspicious that so many mail ballots were sent this year. Well, gee, I wonder what globally significant event could be occurring this year that would encourage people to vote by mail instead of turning up at a crowded polling station in person!

First past the post electoral systems are not ideal. We know this in the UK to our cost.

Counting in-person votes before a single mail ballot will inevitably turn the result of a particular party's is more inclined toward the postal vote than the other. This has long been known to be a trend among Democratic voters: Trump knew this before the election started and from the trend of previous elections: hence 'The Red Mirage'. It didn't come as a surprise.

FPTP isn't fantastic but it's a bona fide democratic electoral system. It works fine in other countries, as well as this one, as well as the US. What IS outrageous is trying to undermine the entire fabric of a country's democratic constitution - because you don't happen to like the result.

Yes but very very few elections have been as tight as this one, and that is the difference
Hogwash.
Biden is leading by millions of votes.
MANY other elections in the USA were much closer.

You need to learn a bit of US history
before slagging off this election.

Trump knew this before the election started and from the trend of previous elections: hence 'The Red Mirage'. It didn't come as a surprise.

I’d imagine it’s even less of a surprise given he’s been telling his supporters how corrupt the postal voting system is and to get out to vote in person.

It’s such a shame to see people on this thread falling victim to Trump’s campaign of disinformation. Even just a little bit of critical thinking quickly reveals that the accusations are absurd.

If the Democrats were able to carry out fraud on this scale, you can rest assured that Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham would have been summarily outvoted. Furthermore, Trump’s team have had at least ten of their cases dismissed already due to lack of evidence. It all rests on hearsay, which is not evidence.

This is all down to Trump’s ego. He knows he has lost. He doesn’t like to lose. He will fight this out until he’s able to cover some of his substantial campaign debt through donations. He has also said that he is willing to concede with the right conditions in place, which basically means that he wants assurance that he won’t face prosecution for federal crimes surrounding his taxes. I hope Biden doesn’t meet his demands.

A Republican associated with elections in Pennsylvania is receiving death threats, for heaven’s sake. This is all so irresponsible.