To question what Biden's win means for any UK trade deals (economy)?

[Officebox]

I'm delighted about Joe Biden's and Kamala Harris' election win! Great news! The world seems to be happy about this result too! Yay!!!

However, reading reports about the future of UK and US relations following this change in power at the White House, AIBU to be a bit worried for Britain?

The UK is in the middle of Brexit trade negotiations that will impact the economy. Can/will the Biden win impact trade negotiation deals one way or another?

Boris Johnson congratulates Joe Biden on US election win 'Special relationship' may face downgrade...

"They won't be seen as natural allies: Joe Biden, the seasoned Democrat, and Boris Johnson, the bombastic Brexiteer.
In looking at how their future relationship might work, it's worth considering the past. Specifically that seminal year, 2016, when Donald Trump won the White House and the UK voted to leave the EU. Both Mr Biden and his boss at the time, Barack Obama, made no secret they preferred another outcome on Brexit." - Jessica Parker, Political Correspondent

A special relationship or back of the queue: What could a Biden or Trump victory mean for the UK economy after Brexit?

Brexit and the US election: What the Trump v Biden result could mean for the UK

And many more...

What's everyone else's thoughts?

The Guardian also says today that Biden is "very close to the Irish diplomatic machine".

In other words, they have his ear. And they will be saying pro-EU and pro-NI messages. As well as pro-ROI messages, but the priority will certainly be NI as a no deal looms.

Dublin knows Washington has leverage with London, and Dublin knows it has friends in Washington.

@Racinglikeapronow - and why did it discriminate against nationalist areas? Because they were predominately catholic. I get the point you are making but it is disingenuous to say there was no religious element to the troubles. There clearly was.

I think we will have to agree to disagree here. There is an element of chicken and egg really. I'm not saying there was no religious element to the troubles but I don't think it was the underlying cause.

Yes, there was religious discrimination, I agree with you on that. But i think the main difference is to do with identity and whether you believed you were Irish or British. Obviously religion is tied up in identity but I don't think it was the underlying element. Historically, there were many Catholic unionists and protestant nationalists.

@GwendolineMarysLaces

The dems were in power when BJ was encouraging us all to vote for Brexit so presumably he didn't think it was a problem then.....

The entire Obama administration (with Biden as VP) said as strongly as possible that Brexit was a really shit idea in 2016.

Let us move on.

Will the Biden Administration affect ERG/Boris Brexit? I think it will.

What do you think?

The amazing UK - US deal that some of you think has been lost because Joe Biden is Irish American never bloody existed in the first place. It was just more bullshit from Boris Johnson and his cronies which was lapped up by those who wanted to believe the UK would do so much better outside the EU. The truth is no deal with the US was ever going to come close to replacing the trade with the EU that your government is seemingly so determined to walk away from.

Biden has been clear that he values his Irish heritage and will uphold the GFA but he’s actually never been a fan of Brexit so this is not a case of choosing Ireland over the UK. He and Obama believed Brexit was a mistake and would harm the transatlantic relationship, they never viewed it as good for the US and it appears his views haven’t changed. The threat to the GFA is extra.

He is not the only US politician who has made it clear that fucking over the GFA in the name of a glorious Brexit will not be acceptable in the US. This is well documented for anyone who cared to pay attention to non UK politics/media. The idea that Trump could or would have forced through a UK - US trade deal is and always was a fantasy so a fantasy is all the UK has lost here. You’ll be able to get a trade deal with the US once the GFA is protected but it won’t and was never going to be a great deal for the UK. But yeah, the US under any president will be happy to take your NHS and lower your food standards...

Oh and there’s nothing to suggest Biden hates Britain ffs why on earth would he? The US and the UK have been friends and allies for many years, it seems unlikely Joe Biden has been nursing some grudge against the Brits just waiting for an opportunity to do them harm! It really is just more of the victim mentality that so many brits have developed in the last 4 years.🙄.

Be aware though that he and Kamala Harris are reported to have a very low opinion of Boris Johnson. Understandable really...

@Dugee

Correct, the "special relationship" is purely one way, a minow sucking up to a shark.

I lived in the US for 12 months and most Americans don't even know there is supposed to be a special relationship.

I can believe that

You’ll be able to get a trade deal with the US once the GFA is protected but it won’t and was never going to be a great deal for the UK

We are imposing restrictions on 43% of UK trade with EU (by leaving the SM) in return for easing them on 12% with USA.

An independent study by the Trade Policy Observatory has pegged the combined effect from free trade deals with the United States, Australia and New Zealand at around 0.4 percent. Leaving the EU, meanwhile, would lead to an overall reduction in GDP of 1.8 percent

Oh and there’s nothing to suggest Biden hates Britain ffs why on earth would he? The US and the UK have been friends and allies for many years, it seems unlikely Joe Biden has been nursing some grudge against the Brits just waiting for an opportunity to do them harm! It really is just more of the victim mentality that so many brits have developed in the last 4 years.🙄.

Whilst I agree that a good number of Brits (especially those that post on mumsnet) have developed a victim mentality over the years, a lot of the Biden hates Britain rhetoric on here appears to be coming from Irish posters.

TheMethodicalMeerkat

All fine but things will be a bit different now. I think.

That might be because the commentators have a brain and their utterances might be listened to now.

Biden will not decide on UK Brexit stance, but his administration will not be as anti EU as the Pumpkin with the comb over was just the same.

Time for the educated, decent people in the room to get the many decent people out there behind them too.

@Dugee

Oh and there’s nothing to suggest Biden hates Britain ffs why on earth would he? The US and the UK have been friends and allies for many years, it seems unlikely Joe Biden has been nursing some grudge against the Brits just waiting for an opportunity to do them harm! It really is just more of the victim mentality that so many brits have developed in the last 4 years.🙄.

Whilst I agree that a good number of Brits (especially those that post on mumsnet) have developed a victim mentality over the years, a lot of the Biden hates Britain rhetoric on here appears to be coming from Irish posters.

LOL. Love. Hun whatever.

@Dugee - Whilst I agree that a good number of Brits (especially those that post on mumsnet) have developed a victim mentality over the years, a lot of the Biden hates Britain rhetoric on here appears to be coming from Irish posters.

I haven't seen any "Biden hates the Brits" rhetoric from Irish posters. I've seen plenty of posts saying Biden sees himself as Irish, that he is on the side of Ireland and the GFA and that he won't do a deal with the UK if ye fuck with the GFA.

Biden is going to fuck us over big time - Trump was a maniac but he would have been kinder to the UK.

Trump wasn’t kind to anyone except himself.

LOL. Love. Hun whatever.

Read the thread, it's there to see, but thanks for your intelligent addition to the thread 🤣.

@Dugee I believe it was The Car Park Attendant who declared “Biden hates Britain”? I haven’t seen Irish posters repeat that on this thread though admittedly it’s a long one so I may have missed it.

How histrionic. Biden doesn't hate any country.

Well he's possibly not crazy about Russia, but even then I doubt its hate.

He'll work with any country. He just won't favour the UK in giving it a more advantageous trade deal than with the EU. That doesn't make economic sense.

@Dugee

LOL. Love. Hun whatever.

Read the thread, it's there to see, but thanks for your intelligent addition to the thread 🤣.

Just breathe now and enjoy the fact that there is a polite empathetic and educated person in charge now, and the idiotic combover PUMPKIN is gone.

Our ever-so-slightly inflated view of our role on the world stage in the UK always makes me laugh. After Brexit, we'll be pretty much irrelevant.

The UK is due to host both the G7 Summit and the UN Climate Change Conference in 2021.

@Clavinova

Our ever-so-slightly inflated view of our role on the world stage in the UK always makes me laugh. After Brexit, we'll be pretty much irrelevant.

The UK is due to host both the G7 Summit and the UN Climate Change Conference in 2021.

By zoom but who cares anyway, these meetings are usually a drinkfest and more with a statement at the end. LOL.

They must think we are all total idiots.

Sorry, I can't believe this:

twitter.com/belfastagmt/status/1325148733563052032?s=24

'I'm Irish!'

Who does he think he's kidding? Approximately 45% Irish extraction genealogically. Family USA citizens for 5 generations. So what, exactly?
He is American. Nothing else.

Stupid man.

By zoom but who cares anyway

Perhaps not - mid-2021 and November.

"Joe Biden declared climate change the “number one issue facing humanity" "and it's the number one issue for me.”

@TheNighthawk

Sorry, I can't believe this:

twitter.com/belfastagmt/status/1325148733563052032?s=24

'I'm Irish!'

Who does he think he's kidding? Approximately 45% Irish extraction genealogically. Family USA citizens for 5 generations. So what, exactly?
He is American. Nothing else.

Stupid man.

What is your issue here?

Why should someone deny their roots. Love him for saying it. UK has to get real and realise that they are not top dog anywhere, especially now with morons trying to do Brexit. But whatever.

Betting you are raging about this truth from Biden. lol.

Will be forgotten tomorrow anyway.

@Zixxy

Haven't you got homework to be getting on with?

Joe Biden declared climate change the “number one issue facing humanity" "and it's the number one issue for me.”

The 3 Cs are his major concerns - Covid, climate change and China.

No mention of Brexit, a united Ireland or the GFA.

I'm no Trump supporting Brexiter but I think some people are getting their hopes up a little too much about what he's going to do to nasty old Britain.

Plus, it's likely that the Republicans will still hold the senate, so he may not be able to do much at all, at home or abroad.