To question what Biden's win means for any UK trade deals (economy)?

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I'm delighted about Joe Biden's and Kamala Harris' election win! Great news! The world seems to be happy about this result too! Yay!!!

However, reading reports about the future of UK and US relations following this change in power at the White House, AIBU to be a bit worried for Britain?

The UK is in the middle of Brexit trade negotiations that will impact the economy. Can/will the Biden win impact trade negotiation deals one way or another?

Boris Johnson congratulates Joe Biden on US election win 'Special relationship' may face downgrade...

"They won't be seen as natural allies: Joe Biden, the seasoned Democrat, and Boris Johnson, the bombastic Brexiteer.
In looking at how their future relationship might work, it's worth considering the past. Specifically that seminal year, 2016, when Donald Trump won the White House and the UK voted to leave the EU. Both Mr Biden and his boss at the time, Barack Obama, made no secret they preferred another outcome on Brexit." - Jessica Parker, Political Correspondent

A special relationship or back of the queue: What could a Biden or Trump victory mean for the UK economy after Brexit?

Brexit and the US election: What the Trump v Biden result could mean for the UK

And many more...

What's everyone else's thoughts?

I can't find the original article I read months ago as searching brings up thousands of results, but there are lots of opinions from economists that the EU is not the healthy trading partner many people seem to assume.

But your quotes don't support this view:

But the share of UK exports of goods and services going to the EU has fallen, from 54% in 2000 to 43% in 2016. Which shows that the UK was able to increase trade with the rest of the world whist still being a member of the EU, contradicting one of the main Brexit arguments.

Most of the decline in the EU’s share of UK exports is due to goods, not services. Services sold to the EU are a huge export earner for the UK, which is why leaving the EU and closing off this lucrative market is sheer folly. The much-touted Canada-style deal would not include services. 'No Deal' would destroy the UK services exports overnight.

The US is the country from which the UK earns the most through trade. Exports to the US in 2016 were worth £100 billion, more than twice as much as exports to any other country. It is no longer meaningful to describe export markets by single country. The world is now divided into trading blocs (EU, MERCOSUR, ASEAN etc), and the EU as a bloc is by far the UK's largest export market, accounting for well over twice as much in export earnings as the USA - and rather conveniently, it is just 22 miles away, has exactly the same standards as the UK and is linked to the UK by a fast, reliable transport system.

While the value of UK exports to the EU has fallen between 2011 and 2016 (from £243 billion to £236 billion), the UK is increasingly exporting to the US. Exports to the US rose by more than 26% over the same period. A 2% fall in the value of exports to the EU over 5 years is miniscule - and again, the UK was able to increase trade, in this case to the USA, without leaving the EU. No Brexit supporter or economist has yet explained why throwing away free and frictionless access to a market that takes 45% of exports is a good idea, nor how these export earnings are to be replaced.

So evident here who has been reading the daily mail 🙄🙄🙄 you do know there’s also a photo of trump with Gerry Adams and that Adams has a photo with pretty much every influential political person.

Of course Biden has Irish roots but more importantly the US played a extremely important role in brokering a successful complete end to a civil war and they are very proud of that massive achievement.

Give me another example of a brutal war with murder bombs and assassinations on both sides where there has been absolute peace and normal life since. Especially one with such a religious divide. No other country has managed to do the same.

It astounds me that so many British people seem to think of it as a thorn in their side rather than the huge achievement it was.

Shocker, I know but not every American is secretly in love with England.

I've just read the whole thread and no one has claimed that every American is secretly in love with England.

What you may find shocking is that not every one makes emotional decisions.

No it's definitely not just for show

He's a politician FFS.

The hilarious thing was Sky (Adam Bolton I think?) trying to persuade viewers that Biden was English.

The hilarious thing was that you posted this without checking what his ancestry is. As has already been pointed out to you, his ancestry is part English, as well as part Irish.

However, reading reports about the future of UK and US relations following this change in power at the White House, AIBU to be a bit worried for Britain?

Don't they say this after every US election yet nothing changes?

@Dugee

The hilarious thing was Sky (Adam Bolton I think?) trying to persuade viewers that Biden was English.

The hilarious thing was that you posted this without checking what his ancestry is. As has already been pointed out to you, his ancestry is part English, as well as part Irish.

It doesn't really matter how thick you draw lines on someones family tree, it's not really a good idea to start telling them who they are. It may be UK government policy, but most people prefer to self identify.

I can't see any signs Biden has said he feels English. But there appear to be many times he has said he's Irish.

Part of the UK governments shit stirring in Northern Ireland has been trying to tell people their identity - and refusing to acknowledge their own legally valid choices as to whether they are British or Irish or both.

It most certainly isn't for a UK TV host to tell the President of the United States what his national identity is. Well, not if he doesn't want to be seen as a tit.

The dems were in power when BJ was encouraging us all to vote for Brexit so presumably he didn't think it was a problem then.....

*It doesn't really matter how thick you draw lines on someones family tree, it's not really a good idea to start telling them who they are. It may be UK government policy, but most people prefer to self identify.

I can't see any signs Biden has said he feels English. But there appear to be many times he has said he's Irish.

Part of the UK governments shit stirring in Northern Ireland has been trying to tell people their identity - and refusing to acknowledge their own legally valid choices as to whether they are British or Irish or both.

It most certainly isn't for a UK TV host to tell the President of the United States what his national identity is. Well, not if he doesn't want to be seen as a tit.*

Perhaps I saw a different programme from you but all that was said that Biden's paternal grandfather's side of the family came from England. They didn't claim Biden is therefore English.

It was also in the context of the clip that's doing the rounds of Biden retorting to the BBC chap that he was Irish.

Bolton just had to go "akkkshully....." when they had literally just shown Biden saying "The BBC?! I'm Irish!"

Like, nobody cares if Biden himself doesn't.

@Racinglikeapronow - Especially one with such a religious divide.

The divide is not a religious divide. However, the majority of unionists are protestant and the majority of nationalist are catholic. It's correlation, rather than causation.

@OchonAgusOchonO there is a strong religious divide. The rights of owning property, to vote and issue around gerrymandering discriminated against catholics not nationalists.

The divide is not a religious divide. However, the majority of unionists are protestant and the majority of nationalist are catholic. It's correlation, rather than causation.

Yes, this idea still persists, even though Catholics and Protestants live in harmony elsewhere in the world.

In the same way that people who support a united ireland are assumed to support the IRA.

Good to have an ally of Ireland as leader of the free world. Not so good for little Britain perhaps. It will be interesting to watch how this plays out.

@GwendolineMarysLaces

The dems were in power when BJ was encouraging us all to vote for Brexit so presumably he didn't think it was a problem then.....

Boris Johnson wasn't in Govt then though was he.

"In the May 2015 general election, Johnson was elected MP. There was much speculation that he had returned to Parliament because he wanted to replace Cameron as Conservative leader and prime minister"

He saw Brexit as a way to achieve power, he'd just as easily have opted for Remain if that was a better way in.

Trump was a mega Brit fan. He loathed Ireland and its low corporate tax. He vowed to avenge Ireland's tax haven status many the time. By contrast, he loved England. He said the highlight of his trip to the UK (maybe last year?) was meeting the Queen and visiting Buckingham Palace. He imitated Trooping the Colour and such like with big military displays. He was very much a friend of the UK and admired it.

Biden is a proud Irish American. Totally different ball game. Even without the significant Irish-American influence within US politics, he has that Irish 'drop' which means he'll never see his homeland crucified by England/UK/Britain/whatever term you wish to refer to under his watch.

Trump was a mega Brit fan

So much so that he ordered the immediate return to the UK of Anne Sacoolas linked to the death of Harry Dunn OR did he tell the UK to FO ?

Trump has no friends or allies, its all transactional.

@Bluethrough

Trump was a mega Brit fan

So much so that he ordered the immediate return to the UK of Anne Sacoolas linked to the death of Harry Dunn OR did he tell the UK to FO ?

Trump has no friends or allies, its all transactional.

Well he's hardly going to put one of his own in front of a bus? If I'm correct in who you're talking about, it was the wife of a 'rumoured' agent/diplomat (whichever you believe) who killed a child while in the UK?

I'm presuming you meant return to the US, not the UK.

Biden will act in the USA's interests, that's the job he's been voted in to do. Those 75 million Americans that voted for him aren't all of Irish heritage. It's interesting that so many on here are claiming that Britain is irrelevant in the world but that Ireland is really important.

Besides Biden won't be president until the end of January 2021. Trump is president until then. The Brexit deal (if there is one) is due to happen by the end of 2020.

Firstly who knows what Trump will damage in his tantrum about losing the election, he has a bit of time and he's an angry man. Secondly Biden is inheriting the presidency of a deeply divided nation which includes 70 million Trump voters, Trump may be going but Trumpism doesn't appear to be finished. Will those 70 million voters even accept the legitimacy of a Biden presidency. Interestingly, gun sales have doubled in the last 6 months, may be people preparing for a covid lockdown, or it may be more sinister. Biden has enough in his plate at home.

@Shuddawuddacudda

I'm presuming you meant return to the US, not the UK.

No, i meant her return to the UK, after being involved in a fatal road incident she flew out to the USA.

IF Trump really was an ally to the UK as you stated, he'd have had her returned to the UK, she was involved in a fatal road incident after all, which killed Harry Dunn, aged 19.

Biden will act in the USA's interests

Correct, the "special relationship" is purely one way, a minow sucking up to a shark.

Correct, the "special relationship" is purely one way, a minow sucking up to a shark.

I lived in the US for 12 months and most Americans don't even know there is supposed to be a special relationship.

@Racinglikeapronow - there is a strong religious divide. The rights of owning property, to vote and issue around gerrymandering discriminated against catholics not nationalists.

The gerrymandering discriminated against those who lived in nationalist areas who also happened to be Catholic. The plural voting system, that gave votes to property and business owners, didn't discriminate against catholics per se. However, as unionists, who were mainly protestant, were more likely to own properties and businesses, it indirectly discriminated against nationalists, who were more likely to be Catholic. The same with jobs. Huge levels of discrimination that resulted in nationalists being less likely to afford to buy a house, and therefore excluded them from voting. A person's name and where they lived told the employer whether the applicant was a nationalist (Irish name) or a unionist (British name). Same applied to council housing. The councils were hugely rigged due to to plural voting system so houses went to unionists, who were mainly protestant.

@OchonAgusOchonO and why did it discriminate against nationalist areas? Because they were predominately catholic. I get the point you are making but it is disingenuous to say there was no religious element to the troubles. There clearly was.