To question what Biden's win means for any UK trade deals (economy)?

[Officebox]

I'm delighted about Joe Biden's and Kamala Harris' election win! Great news! The world seems to be happy about this result too! Yay!!!

However, reading reports about the future of UK and US relations following this change in power at the White House, AIBU to be a bit worried for Britain?

The UK is in the middle of Brexit trade negotiations that will impact the economy. Can/will the Biden win impact trade negotiation deals one way or another?

Boris Johnson congratulates Joe Biden on US election win 'Special relationship' may face downgrade...

"They won't be seen as natural allies: Joe Biden, the seasoned Democrat, and Boris Johnson, the bombastic Brexiteer.
In looking at how their future relationship might work, it's worth considering the past. Specifically that seminal year, 2016, when Donald Trump won the White House and the UK voted to leave the EU. Both Mr Biden and his boss at the time, Barack Obama, made no secret they preferred another outcome on Brexit." - Jessica Parker, Political Correspondent

A special relationship or back of the queue: What could a Biden or Trump victory mean for the UK economy after Brexit?

Brexit and the US election: What the Trump v Biden result could mean for the UK

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What's everyone else's thoughts?

Both Mr Biden and his boss at the time, Barack Obama, made no secret they preferred another outcome on Brexit.
No idea about Biden but didn't Cameron have to beg Obama to intervene in the referendum? On that basis, I'd assume the view of the average American politician to Brexit to be one of indifference.

Biden will be better for the UK. Trump was a protectionist - look after number one and stuff the rest.

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LOL. I just have to do zoom with the poor first years in College tomorrow afternoon.

But what about your own homework?

Great that you think I might be a kid.

The Irish angle is all about Brexit and the relationship between US and EU.

Don't let it upset you. Biden knows that Johnson is a fool, just like his predecessor Trump was and always will be be.

Time to move on to normality again. Thanks be.

The Irish angle is all about Brexit and the relationship between US and EU.

Thanks for pointing out the obvious.

If Biden does stand up for Ireland that's a good thing, and I say that as a British person.

If Biden dislikes Bojo, I am nonetheless confident Biden can be professional in his dealings. Professionalism is something Trump threw away long ago.

A desperate U.K. (with no trade deals with the EU and US) might allow Russia (or China) to have military bases on U.K. soil, for example.

LOL

so im guessing that most brexiteers agree now that the likely trade deals we make with the us are going to be consideably worse than those we already have?

so im guessing that most brexiteers agree now that the likely trade deals we make with the us are going to be consideably worse than those we already have?

But most leavers still seem not to regret the decision.

No mention of Brexit, a united Ireland or the GFA.

Why would they be in his top priorities? They involve different countries. Neither brexit nor a UI have anything to do with him.

The only point of note is his commitment to uphold the international treaty that is the GFA. That would be expected from any leader with any principles. It’s just that they’re thin on the ground right now, so he stands out.

Biden is not fucking us over.

The brexit vote was a vote to cut off our own national nose to spite our own national face!

Why would Brexit be his priority? Good god, talk about living in a bubble with blinkers on.
Very clear message from Biden : Don't mess with the Belfast Agreement. If we do, we're fucked. That's our own stupidity.

But most leavers still seem not to regret the decision.

That’s because Brexit, for most of those who voted for it, was about immigration. ‘Sovereignty’ is just the term used by those who don’t want to openly admit that.

The UK and USA already do alot of trade without any deal so a deal is not completely necessary

@Helmetbymidnight

so im guessing that most brexiteers agree now that the likely trade deals we make with the us are going to be consideably worse than those we already have?

Most voters will not have engaged in detail with it to this detail, surely? The problem with populist leaders, like Johnson, is they are willing to say any old shite. Johnson will say any crappy trade deal he gets is 'a good deal for the UK'. People who voted Brexit will either believe it, or 'believe' it, because the last thing humans enjoy is admitting their mistakes.

Brexit is a huge mistake, a deliberate distraction from the real issues we need to tackle, but getting those who voted for it to see it is a futile exercise.

We need to just wait for the madness to pass. The madness is hopefully passing in the USA, hopefully the UK can regain its senses soon too.

Bloody shitshow.

Trump may have talked the talk on Brexit, but he only wanted Brexit in do far as it would advance American interests. If the government is telling the truth about maintaining food standards, there would be no deal with the US, whoever was President. We are about to realise how tiny we are compared to the US, China and even India. Or should I say, Brexiteers are about to realise. Maybe they shouldn't have blinked off history lessons. They may have realised The British Empire is no more!

I am hoping that as a result of Bidens election the Government just concedes on the Level Playing Field because that's our only hope of being able to sell into the EU. Johnson can use his usual fluff to make it out to be a victory. Most people wont care.

Biden could be very good for the U.K., but not necessarily for the Johnson administration. The threat to the U.K. comes from within.

But reading this thread, and the comments about rolling into bed with the Russians and China, in pique at being held to account in international agreements, makes it seem that the U.K. is morally bankrupt.

Perfidious Albion lives on?

But reading this thread, and the comments about rolling into bed with the Russians and China, in pique at being held to account in international agreements, makes it seem that the U.K. is morally bankrupt

Thankfully only from one or two posters I think. More give me what I want or I’ll blow my brains out which we’ve seen plenty of since the 2016 referendum 🙄. The EU hasn’t fallen for this crap and the US won’t either.

Unfortunately until the UK realises that it’s issues and dissatisfaction are internal matters we will just continue to see blame being laid everywhere else -
Being in the EU is stopping us from reaching our full potential
Ireland is being difficult to try to stop our glorious Brexit
The EU are trying to punish us
The US president hates us

What next? How many nations will the UK point at and declare if it wasn’t for them...? The truth is the rest of the world is neither the cause of nor the answer to the UKs internal problems which didn’t begin with Brexit and won’t end on 1 January 2020.

Or even January 2021 !

GCAcademic

That’s because Brexit, for most of those who voted for it, was about immigration. ‘Sovereignty’ is just the term used by those who don’t want to openly admit that

That is not the case. You are hubristic to pretend you can second guess what was in the minds of 52% of the population.

Much more important is the increased power to shape and control our regulatory and business environment and free ourselves of EU rules on state aid and expand the patent box so fostering R and D. Freedom from EU state aid rules will also help to fulfil the goal of rejuvenating the poorer parts of Britain and level up the economy.
This is why we CANNOT have a level playing field. If we have this we will be snookered.

There are many other regulatory and other benefits to local industry from Brexit, but these are the most important and completely depend on TOTAL freedom from EU regulation. This is what is meant by Sovereignty. It has nothing to do with immigration.

These are issues freely discussed before the referendum and you should not project your own ignorance on to others.

Biden cannot be allowed to derail the Brexit negotiations, even if it means sacrificing a deal with the US.

Trump backed Brexit because he was told it would lead to an independent Scotland where he would be King ...

...is probably the most coherent, cogent and compelling argument I've heard for Brexit in 4 years.

And I just made it up a few seconds ago before having a cup of tea.

Biden cannot be allowed to derail the Brexit negotiations, even if it means sacrificing a deal with the US.

Is that your way of saying you think the UK should toss out an international peace treaty they helped broker and gave their word to the world they’d honour?

What message does that send to countries that you’re trying to do trade deals with? That you’ll rip up a deal the second it suits you? I’m sure they’ll be clamouring to do business.

Trump backed Brexit because he was told it would lead to an independent Scotland where he would be King

And he’d be invited for tea with the queen at least once a month. Fact.