To question what Biden's win means for any UK trade deals (economy)?

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I'm delighted about Joe Biden's and Kamala Harris' election win! Great news! The world seems to be happy about this result too! Yay!!!

However, reading reports about the future of UK and US relations following this change in power at the White House, AIBU to be a bit worried for Britain?

The UK is in the middle of Brexit trade negotiations that will impact the economy. Can/will the Biden win impact trade negotiation deals one way or another?

Boris Johnson congratulates Joe Biden on US election win 'Special relationship' may face downgrade...

"They won't be seen as natural allies: Joe Biden, the seasoned Democrat, and Boris Johnson, the bombastic Brexiteer.
In looking at how their future relationship might work, it's worth considering the past. Specifically that seminal year, 2016, when Donald Trump won the White House and the UK voted to leave the EU. Both Mr Biden and his boss at the time, Barack Obama, made no secret they preferred another outcome on Brexit." - Jessica Parker, Political Correspondent

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What's everyone else's thoughts?

I think you guys are going to get screwed. No matter which way you go

Brexit is the financial self-harm to the UK not its relationship with Biden. This is turning out to be a reap-what- you -sow, moment. I would say its a bit late in the day to be worried about the economic impact of Brexit, no?

@Blanca87 true.

I guess I mean even more worried than before!!! Brexit is not a great strategic economic position anyway, but is it an even worse one now?

I think this is going to make the Brexit talks very very interesting.

Especially with the GFA.

Biden has said he won't let the UK fuck over Ireland or Northern Ireland, so Boris will need to stick to his obligations under international law.

On a purely selfish point of view, Trump would have been a lot more positive to UK/US relations and trade. Biden will be the opposite, in fact he’ll try and fuck us over, even more than the EU are trying to do. The bottom line is they both see the UK’s decision to leave the EU as a revolutionary act and are doing all they can to reassert the status quo. The problem is his own country is on the verge of tearing its self apart so he’s got his job cut up trying to keep a lid on that , whether he has the mental or physical strength is questionable.

Personally I have more faith in the man who didn't literally write a book about making deals that favour him and fuck over the other guy.

But the reality is that whoever's in charge, if we want deals with the world's major economies we're the little guy. We'll be the "rule takers" as the price of the agreement.

Trump was never interested in helping the UK. He was only ever interested in how events could benefit him. It’s a great day now he’s gone and let’s hope it forces Boris to come up with a trade deal with the EU. As that should have been his priority all along. They can keep their foul tasting chocolate and chlorinated chicken.

The EU don’t want a trade deal , they want to impose sanctions as a warning to any other nation thinking of leaving.

Biden isn't out to fuck us over for the sake of it, but he is indeed a supporter of the GFA and is a seasoned politician. He won't allow clowns like Boris to break international law on a whim and might hold this country to a modicum of respectable behaviour. This is of course terrible news for the government Brexiteers who thought they could fast track the impossible by ignoring rules.

@justanotherneighinparadise

I agree this puts Boris in a position to take EU trade deals more seriously.

It might be a positive in that the government might now work harder to avert a Brexit no deal scenario.

It's a good thing that the new POTUS cares about the good Friday agreement (trump probably didn't even know what it was and what the issues were/are in Ireland/NI)

Totally agree with @Rosehip10 - I hope Biden holds Johnson to account and that we can leave the EU on better terms than we seem to be planning at the moment.

Boris' stance re Ireland is a negotiating tactic.

Trump is the worst kind of human in modern times. He is truly appalling. Anything to cut his influence is welcome. But Biden is definitely not great for the UK.

Boris' stance re Ireland is a negotiating tactic.

No it isn't. It is just incoherent because he has agreed to two incompatible things.

I really think Biden will have enough on his plate sorting out his own patch initially, and the UK/Brexit really will not be on his list of priorities.

We'll be way down the list of his priorities...

@Livelovebehappy

I really think Biden will have enough on his plate sorting out his own patch initially, and the UK/Brexit really will not be on his list of priorities.

Biden made his opinion known about Brexit when he was VP. Its a well known fact that if Boris fucks this up to the point where this is a hard border Biden will come down hard. It will not be too favorable for the UK. You guys are in a very precarious state. You need the EU and the US and favorable trade deals a lot more than we need you. Thats why I voted for him and so did millions of other Irish Americans,dual citizens (me) and naturalized citizens from the UK.

He won't be inaugurated until the 20th of January though, so will he be able to influence things before then or not?

He's got a lot of home-grown stuff to sort out before he starts thinking about foreign policy.

Pushing a newly independent UK, perched between Europe and the US like an enormous earthy aircraft carrier, desperately into the trading arms of China, probably isn't what Biden and the US want right now.

They're not stupid. They'll deal.

@somelemons

Good point.

However, it might change the mood of negotiations with the EU. Also, should mean Boris and his government are less hubristic (Even the Home Secretary voted to break international law! All of the MPs who just voted to break international law.

Britain has had a bit of a double whammy with Brexit and Coronavirus. So it just feels a bit vulnerable.

Brexit is an English and Welsh nationalist piece of self harm which used nostalgia as a Trojan horse for capitalism on steroids. Everyone with common sense warned us not to proceed with it but we’d had ‘enough of experts’.

It will turn to shit no matter who the President is/was. At least Biden won’t lie about supporting us then stab us in the back and put ‘America First’. He’ll just tell us how it is and prioritise the major trading block - The EU.

Well, Leave voters, I hate to say the Remainers told you so, but, well....this really is a case of reap what you sow. Personally I'm willing to eat nothing but turnips for the rest of my life if it means people will finally start seeing through the likes of BJ and Farage and BJ is made to actually comply with international law. Dearie me, BJ, back the wrong horse, did you? There, there. I'm sure there's a fridge somewhere you can hide in.

Our ever-so-slightly inflated view of our role on the world stage in the UK always makes me laugh. After Brexit, we'll be pretty much irrelevant.

Apart from ensuring the GFA stands, I doubt Biden will waste much time on England, where Europe is concerned I reckon he'll go straight to the seats of actual power in Germany and France, even Spain and Italy.

*Pushing a newly independent UK, perched between Europe and the US like an enormous earthy aircraft carrier, desperately into the trading arms of China, probably isn't what Biden and the US want right now.

They're not stupid. They'll deal.*

Pretty much this tbh. Biden said what he needed to say to get the votes, like every other politician.

(Remainer and not a trump fan btw) but I dont think it will be that much difference with biden. UK are small fish and would always have to play by the rules set by whichever president, not create them.