so we are now arresting people NOW Shocking

[Meadow1203]

I thought this was wind up but sadly it is true. A 73 year old retired nurse has been arrested and put in handcuffs because she took her own mother out of a care home. She has not had proper contact for 9 months and her poor 97 year old mum was ailing, she wanted to bring her home to care for her. Wow just wow how have we come to this.

@GabsAlot

if she assaulted someone as they claimed why was she de arrested

i saw the video of them in a car but thats it

Because the care home and the care worker declined to press charges and the police saw no value in continuing!

It happens a lot. In a few of the reports a policeman explais why.... she was arested to keep the peace, de-arrested when appropriate!

I hadn't realised that care home residents couldn't discharge themselves (or have their next of kin discharge them). It would definitely make me think twice about entering a care home myself and I would certainly ask my parents to think very carefully if they were minded to ever.

I just feel sorry for the old lady confused taken out of the home a haha with the police all because her family decided it was in their best interests.

@Redwinestillfine

I hadn't realised that care home residents couldn't discharge themselves (or have their next of kin discharge them). It would definitely make me think twice about entering a care home myself and I would certainly ask my parents to think very carefully if they were minded to ever.

That depends entirely on the reason they are in a care home and what legal guardianships may be in place!

It isn't an automatic lock in, hinest!

@Redwinestillfine if someone has an impairment that means they are unable to make decisions for themselves (lacks capacity to make that specific decision) then yes, a family member couldn't just take you home without any consultation but if you could be safely cared for at home with the right amount of care then it could be arranged.

If you had capacity to make that decision then you could come and go as you please.

A retired nurse in her 70s unfortunately most likely wouldn't be able to meet her mums care needs . It's possible she could require a hoist to transfer or at the very least assistance of 2. No she shouldn't be just shoving a care worker . Care worker is a person and doesn't deserve to be manhandled .

Interesting that they say they hadn't had contact for 9 months. Restrictions have only been in place for 6 months. Why didn't they see the grandmother between December and late March?

Get out of it @MoonJelly

You and your bloody logic!

[lighthearted, just in case ]

Shoving someone out of the way while they were probably restraining her movement should not be considered assault. I've been beaten black and blue and found it hard to get that to be considered assault - why? because it was a domestic assault. A bit precious to make an allegation of assault against a woman merely trying to get past the care worker.

@Meadow1203 she assaulted a care worker. I'm a nurse and if a relative came into my workplace and assaulted me, I would also be getting the police involved. I have complete empathy for the sad situation that the family has found themselves in, but do not try and justify the assault of a care worker.

@Shuddawuddacudda

Shoving someone out of the way while they were probably restraining her movement should not be considered assault. I've been beaten black and blue and found it hard to get that to be considered assault - why? because it was a domestic assault. A bit precious to make an allegation of assault against a woman merely trying to get past the care worker.

Brilliant logic here. "I've been assaulted worse than that, but didn't press charges, so it isn't assault!"

Except that isn't what the granddaughter says happened! And hers is the only version we have!

According to her they were allowed a 'window visit' and wanted more, were told no so her mum pushed through a door (or teleported through a wall/window) and pushed aside a care worker who was aiding her grandmother. Once the got their grandmother outside the thought "hey, let's just keep going!"

You REALLY cannot defened that, can you?

I don’t blame the women for shoving the care worker. If I wanted to take a parent home as I could do a better job then what they are doing then it’s your own fault if your going to stand in my way and try to stop me.

@Shuddawuddacudda

Shoving someone out of the way while they were probably restraining her movement should not be considered assault. I've been beaten black and blue and found it hard to get that to be considered assault - why? because it was a domestic assault. A bit precious to make an allegation of assault against a woman merely trying to get past the care worker.

No, it was still assault.

Whilst your experience of DV is unacceptable, it is a separate issue entirely.

@Halliehallie9828

I don’t blame the women for shoving the care worker. If I wanted to take a parent home as I could do a better job then what they are doing then it’s your own fault if your going to stand in my way and try to stop me.

Again... not what happened. Not legal. And not in the best interest of the 97 year old woman!

There are other ways to do this properly!

It’s dreadful. My friend is going through something similar. The deterioration is shocking. My friend has asked if she can put a camera in the room so she can see her mum ( after a few issues) and they have refused.

Tbh what is happening to elderly folk in care homes now is a national disgrace. It makes me so angry to think about it. Care workers can go in and out, go shopping, see their families and then go back to work. Families can not even go in in full PPE to see their parents.

It’s appalling that some people keep bleeting on about the rules when it’s not you stuck in there!

I am sorry but she broke the law - if she wanted to care for her mother at home she should have gone through the correct procedure . Then she would be with her by now.

Her mother will probably now have to be isolated and they could have put other residents at risk .

It sounded very political this morning - all criticism but no real answers as to how the care home could safely allow visits . There are new guidelines today but the Managers of course may interpret them as they wish.

I lost both my aunt and uncle in a care home through covid within 7 days of each other so excuse me if I think they should have gone through the correct procedure rather than put other residents at risk and putting the lady through what must have been a very stressful time for her as well.

@Caroncanta

Well care homes aren't a prison and if the mum has capacity then she is certainly free to leave if she wishes. However I would suspect she is subject to a Dols.

Yep, there'll probably be a DOLS on her. Which means she cannot be taken away, by anybody!!

@Motherofthreequeens

I think you must read the new guidelines for care homes and make sure the CH manager adheres to them

I agree that in this day and age there must be a way they can do this . Invest in room foggers etc .
The trouble is that they are scared and I bet there are care home workers on here who saw their residents loose their lives in a horrible way who can also explain how they felt .

Brilliant logic here. "I've been assaulted worse than that, but didn't press charges, so it isn't assault!"

Not to mention the bit where they included conjecture about what 'probably' happened during an event that they were not witness to, in order to corroborate their opinion that it was 'a bit precious' to allege that an assault occurred.

@Halliehallie9828

I don’t blame the women for shoving the care worker. If I wanted to take a parent home as I could do a better job then what they are doing then it’s your own fault if your going to stand in my way and try to stop me.

What a ridiculous thing to say. Shall we start shoving teachers as well? And nurses? And shop-workers, if we feel like it?

If this wonderful daughter was so sure she could look after her mother better at home, why did she not follow the correct, legal, safeguarding procedures?

@CuriousaboutSamphire the 97year old women hasn’t been able to see her family properly in 9 months and was deteriorating.
If the daughters willing to care for her then I don’t blame her.

@NerrSnerr

well said

my aunt who dies of covid had very specialist equipment because the Dementia meant she was very physically disabled as well . There is no way she could have been cared for at home .

I was just grateful at the end that she was with some very lovely care staff who held both her hand and the hand of her husband as they passed away . And trust me it was an extremely sad ending with Covid . very distressing .

What a ridiculous thing to say. Shall we start shoving teachers as well? And nurses? And shop-workers, if we feel like it?

Well if a teacher tries to stop me seeing my child then yes I would push them aside too.

Don’t really know what a shop keeper is going to have that i would need though...

What a ridiculous thing to say. Shall we start shoving teachers as well? And nurses? And shop-workers, if we feel like it?

Yes, let's all start assaulting anyone who stands between us & what we want to do. There's a pandemic, so apparently all laws are suspended.