so we are now arresting people NOW Shocking

[Meadow1203]

I thought this was wind up but sadly it is true. A 73 year old retired nurse has been arrested and put in handcuffs because she took her own mother out of a care home. She has not had proper contact for 9 months and her poor 97 year old mum was ailing, she wanted to bring her home to care for her. Wow just wow how have we come to this.

I won’t repeat what numerous other posters have said about the care home not being at fault, I’ll just add my own little nugget...

Didn’t take long for people to forget about their virtue signalling “clap for carers” routine, and go back to assuming all care workers are stupid, abusive and cruel morons did it? 🤬🤬🤬

Carers work incredibly hard looking after some of the most vulnerable in society, where they either cannot be looked after at home or family are unwilling to do it.

There’s a reason this “retired nurse” wasn’t already caring for her mother at home - as the 97 year old’s condition had worsened (as dementia does) do people honestly believe that the daughter, who wasn’t looking after her before could adequately do so now?

@Meadow1203

If a care worker tried to stop me taking mu dad out of his home if I wanted to take him I would have shoved her too. The woman is retired nurse and can take care of her needs. Really please don not try and justify this

Then don't ask. If an individual is assaulted at work, it's taken seriously. Nurse or not she's done wrong if the reports are accurate

@Meadow1203

unmark I have the rage with this story. I have listened to the interview with the Grand daughter and know the facts. Fuck the DM would not believe a word it says. My dad is in a care home many them have tested positive, with no symptoms btw one resident had a fall at the weekend trying to walk to the shops, these people are all ta an advanced stage of Dementia. It is simple these poor old people need their family.

No, you don’t know the facts. You know her extremely emotional biased version of the story.

@Meadow1203

purple jog on you fool

Did you address the wrong person?

I have listened to the interview with the Grand daughter and know the facts.

This says it all. You have heard one person's side of the story. You do not know the facts. There is so much we don't know. None of us. That's why it's best not to demonise care homes/ social services without knowing the full story and as you have said so many times OP the lady has advanced dementia so she may not have capacity to consent to her care needs being plastered all over the media.

Sorry if you're violent to a care worker just trying to do their job you get arrested. There would be a process to follow for he'd to get her mother released to her care, she should have followed it. Violence is never the solution. So no, nobody is shocked about this, if I worked in care/health setting I'd want to know that relatives who attacked me would be removed by the police.

We have only heard 1 side of the story.

The news reporting in this country is anything but and where they fail, drama-loving-people try their best to incite angst through social media.

OP... awful of you.

Didn’t take long for people to forget about their virtue signalling “clap for carers” routine, and go back to assuming all care workers are stupid, abusive and cruel morons did it? 🤬🤬🤬

Very true!

There are better ways of doing it...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-54366336

@NerrSnerr

I have listened to the interview with the Grand daughter and know the facts.

This says it all. You have heard one person's side of the story. You do not know the facts. There is so much we don't know. None of us. That's why it's best not to demonise care homes/ social services without knowing the full story and as you have said so many times OP the lady has advanced dementia so she may not have capacity to consent to her care needs being plastered all over the media.

Exactly.

And from what I heard of the granddaughter Being interviewed I thought her attitude explained a lot about why things had blown up

I should be sleeping, done a night shift last night and this thread has pissed me off.

@vodkaredbullgirl

We have only heard 1 side of the story.

Yes! And with that side told we realy don't need anything else do we?

They may have had a point but they went about it all wrong. They hadn't even planned it ffs!

Where would they take her? How would they keep her safe? Her meds? Her physical aids? Her GP? continued medical care? All sorts of very real and immediate issues!

@JesusInTheCabbageVan

Didn’t take long for people to forget about their virtue signalling “clap for carers” routine, and go back to assuming all care workers are stupid, abusive and cruel morons did it? 🤬🤬🤬

Very true!

Isn't it just. Now it's just gone back to 'crap for carers', as it always was.

I thought this was wind up but sadly it is true. A mumsnet user has read a Daily Mail clickbait headline and got riled up about half a story. Wow just wow how has Mumsnet come to this.

You can't go around shoving people and expecting no consequences.
Would she have been arrested had she not assaulted the care worker? No.

"If the woman was able to take care of her mother then why was she in the home in the first place"

That's what I was wondering.

Plus is it best for her mother to be removed?

Can you imagine if the hospital had discharged her to them rather than back to the home?

If a care worker tried to stop me taking mu dad out of his home if I wanted to take him I would have shoved her too.

I trust that before contemplating anything of the sort you would talk to the home, and you would accept that before you took him out you would have to have full care provision in place because obviously he could not just wander back in having been exposed to the possibility of infection. Also that you would need to demonstrate to them that you have those arrangements in place and that they will work.

What this silly pair did was just decide completely impulsively with no plan in place that they would take their mother/grandmother out. And they assaulted someone in the process. Frankly, the mother was extremely lucky to be de-arrested.

The woman is retired nurse and can take care of her needs. Really please don not try and justify this

How was the individual care worker sitting with her mother supposed to know that? Being a retired nurse doesn't automatically make you a fit carer, nor does it demonstrate that you have full care arrangements in place at home (if that is where you propose to take the resident) with accessible washing and toileting arrangements, fit for wheelchair use, round the clock care, etc etc. Nor does it demonstrate that you have solid infection control in place.

Please don't try and justify the actions of these two.

@Meadow1203

If a care worker tried to stop me taking mu dad out of his home if I wanted to take him I would have shoved her too. The woman is retired nurse and can take care of her needs. Really please don not try and justify this

And that would be assault. Shoving someone is assault. She was arrested because she assaulted someone.

You are wilfully ignoring that fact because it does not fit your narrative

I think this story has been completely twisted. From what I understand and was certainly the case with a relative of ours with dementia in a care home, they are sectioned under Mental Health Act. We certainly wouldn’t have been able to march in one day and remove them. This was way before Covid too. There are legal abs medical requirements and processes in place.

Well care homes aren't a prison and if the mum has capacity then she is certainly free to leave if she wishes. However I would suspect she is subject to a Dols.

We won't hear the other side of the story as the care home and police quite rightly have to keep the personal details confidential. So tabloids, twitter and a morning tv show is all we know.

if she assaulted someone as they claimed why was she de arrested

i saw the video of them in a car but thats it

What is best for the care home resident?
Maybe she was better off where she was? We have no idea
It might be taking a Granny home gave everyone else the feel good factor but if Granny has complex needs and doesn’t know where she is it’s pretty selfish

People can go home from care homes. It is rare (as care needs often increase) but it does happen. There is so much to consider though. Off the top of my head what they'll need.

Equipment. Things they could need. Hi lo bed, crash mat, bed rails, bed sensor, commode, wheelchair, slide sheet, hoist (full, tracking, standing?), toilet frame, adjustable table, specialist chair, non slip mats, specialist cutlery, high sided plate, bowls and much more

Meds. Will the GP prescribe the meds if they are moving her out of catchment?

Care. How many people does she need for interventions? How often? Does she need night care? If so, how and when will the daughter sleep. What nursing care does she require? Are the district nurses aware (once again, will they assess if out of GP catchment area before they register with new GP?) If the daughter falls ill/ breaks her leg/ car breaks down who will care for her?

There is so much more, access to bed, access to toilet. Are there internal steps? These things are not necessarily a barrier to someone going home but they need to be addressed before the person goes home.