How much do you care who wins the US election?

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Background: UK citizen here, residing in the UK and generally don't trust politicians.

I may be weird but I don't really care that much who wins the US election. AIBU? Everyone seems to be obsessed.

I feel for the Americans if they get stuck with Trump for another 4 years, however that problem feels so remote from my day to day reality and worries here in the UK. And what do I know about Biden? Absolutely nothing other than he seems like a nice old man.

So do you care? If so, why?

(Obviously if you have strong connection to the US either by citizenship, family or business, I assume you will care. This question is mainly for those of us who don't).

@VashtaNerada

I wish people would inform themselves properly before spouting off the rhetoric from the loudest and believing it to therefore be truth. I say this as someone who never would of thought I would be for Trump at the beginning of the year but then I decided to research for myself and I would encourage you and any others to do so too.

There are no glimmers of hope in the election coverage yet, and I think I'm going to give up and go to bed.

Oh god - are we really going to have to wait for days until we get a result?

@VashtaNerada please can you elaborate on it being “blindingly obvious” that Biden is the lesser evil? What do you know about his policies abd how they affect the average working American household? I’m not talking about personality, education level. I am talking about what’s going to happen to my tax bill, my 401(k), my social security contributions, my job security, my private healthcare from my employer that I am more than happy with. It’s not blindingly obvious to me from where I’m sitting.

I honestly feel as if I care more then a lot of Americans. Unfortunately, I don't think things will go the way I hope they will.

Hugely, it directly impacts the UK because of trade deals needed due to brexit.

But on a personal level if he is re-elected people I love and care about may have the right to marriage and a chance at having a family taken from them.

I despise him. I hate the thought of another 4 years of having to see his stupid face on the news, or his idiotic tweets. If he wins he will be fucking unbearable. He’s a cunt.

This. I also can't believe that anyone votes for him

I care. For a number of reasons, not least the fact that I love planet Earth, and it's terrifying to me that Donald Trump is a climate change denier, who has pulled the US out of the Paris Climate Agreement.
I've had Radio 4 on all night. Popping downstairs for tea & crumpets periodically.
I'm very left-wing. I longed for Bernie Sanders to be the next president there - such hope for the world. But obviously, with the situation as it is, Joe Boden is vastly the best of a bad lot. It's nail-bitingly close so far. I'm clinging to hope...
But OP, it's OK that you're not interested in it. I'm obsessed with politics, both here in the UK, and internationally. To me, it's one of the main means of making the world a better place. But have friends who have zero interest, and a whole range in between. We all have our different interests, and that's a good thing. I think people have different ways to improve the world, and that's fine. Takes all sorts to make up the world.

America is The super-power and what happens there affects us here. Trump is so dangerous so, yes, I do care; I also care about several American friends who are desperate to see him leave office.

Two horrific candidates. Trump.... speaks for himself but Biden is totally senile and utterly inappropriate for public office. Watch some of the recent clips of him. He just today introduced his granddaughter to a crowd of people as his dead son!!! And he’s done masses of similar senile things.

I have to say too that I feel so much empathy and sympathy for left-wing Americans. I felt lonely & despairing after our General Election last December, so I can only imagine how left-wing Americans have felt for the last four years. If there are any left-wing Americans reading this, I'm sending you lots of love, socially-distanced hugs and oodles of hope x

@Flaxmeadow

This with fucking bells on! Worse still some German spokesperson had the audacity to suggest that Simone Barreto Silva wasn't really a black woman, as she had led a 'white life', therefore not deserving of BLM's support. That comment has since been hidden on Twitter.

I know. Its sickening

Simone Barreto Silva was such a massive hero, she was so brave and we lost her. I could cry when I read about her.

Where are the BLM crowd now? These celebs and the bleeding hearts. We don't even know her name in the UK never mind the USA. The media went all out for months covering the man in the USA. Literally months of news stories about him. I just don't understand it

Can I try and help you see the difference? He was murdered in broad daylight by a police officer. It turns out that a lot of men are killed by police officers. It turns out that the common demoninator is their colour. The institutions that are supposed to protect all citzens from hard are actually harming them. Simone Barreto Silva was murdered in the most gruesome and tragic way by a terrorist. I hate that she died. Like you, I could cry for her and her children. But I really understand the difference between the two events.

@Goosefoot

Also - in terms of pragmatic voters, most people don't have much faith that the Democratic party will look out for their interests. They have been cutting the social welfare system as hard as Republicans, and are as pro-globalism, and pro-big banks, as the Republicans. Maybe more so.

People end up voting on weird issues, or not voting, under those kinds of circumstances.

Goosefoot - I totally agree with you there. The Democrats have a LOT of baggage and really need to review who they are.

[quote PathThreeTwoOne]@VashtaNerada

I wish people would inform themselves properly before spouting off the rhetoric from the loudest and believing it to therefore be truth. I say this as someone who never would of thought I would be for Trump at the beginning of the year but then I decided to research for myself and I would encourage you and any others to do so too.[/quote]
But in the case of Trump's contempt for women, disabled people etc it's not second hand information being twisted. It's right from his own mouth, publicly. And not once, but as part of his general interaction with the voters. Sneering at people, mocking women's looks, mocking someone's disability. There is no context that you could put that in that would make me think he is a fit person to hold office.

I intensely dislike Trump but do you know what’s almost as depressing as another 4 years of him in charge? That the best candidate they could come up with to stand a chance of getting him out the White House is Joe Biden. Not because I hate Joe Biden (I don’t) but because he’s so... lacklustre? Bland? Doesn’t seem to have a strong message of what he stands for which I do think matters. Trump has a lot of faults (no shit) however, he says what his crazed MAGA supporters want to hear. It’s all bollocks and he lies his fat orange arse off as second nature, but clearly it works for enough people. And those people go out and vote for him.

It’s similar here in Britain though. Last year in the GE I voted Labour, not because I liked Corbyn (I’d gone right off him by then) but because I didn’t hate him like I hate Johnson. It was basically a choice of “which leader do I hate less?” Also in fairness, I like my local MP who is Labour and other Labour MPs who I also have a lot of time for. Still didn’t want Corbyn to be prime minister but I was willing to live with that so that Johnson wouldn’t be in number 10.

Quite a lot. Currently up and watching CNN. I’m depressed at the thought of Trump for another 4 years.

I would hope Trump would win (I don't really listen to MSM, I do my own research) however I'm not overly invested in the U.S. election.

@WanderingFruitWonderer

I have to say too that I feel so much empathy and sympathy for left-wing Americans. I felt lonely & despairing after our General Election last December, so I can only imagine how left-wing Americans have felt for the last four years. If there are any left-wing Americans reading this, I'm sending you lots of love, socially-distanced hugs and oodles of hope x

There is no left wing in America. Remember that the US has had a very different political developement from European countries especially after the two WWs - they did not have a war on their own land like we did. The USA is a country of extremists founded by extremists. Actually, now you could make a good case for calling it an oligarchy. The Left is a hair past Right if it even exists. The Conservatives want everything deregulated. Everything - labour laws, environmental protections, consumer protections, free trade, minimum wage - everything you can think of, they want it all out of the way of business and making money. This is why they want the Supreme Court so badly - to rule on those issues. Abrotion is a bye the bye, a distraction. The Democrats have a huge problem because they share (almost) the same belief in this kind of Growth Capitalisim. It is the Clinton Party - Big Bank money, Big Tech, Big Entertainment and so on. Last time Trump was elected they threw a grenade to shake it up. Obviously it did - but not in a good way. People are sick of the drama. So now, I think Biden will win but - as Goosefoot said earlier - the malaise is still there and can he fix it? I have my doubts.....

I care. Trump emboldens other twats to be even bigger twats.

This. Nicely summed up!

The film Idiocracy is a terrifying insight into where this world is heading, The embarrassment that was the presidential debate...is this setting the gold standard for how we as a population should now behave? It’s utterly depressing and incredibly destructive.

A family member lives in the US. So it affects them directly. Though power is less centralised than in the UK, quite deliberately.

I care a lot. Our trade deal with the US will be very different with one to the other. That potentially impacts on the food we eat.

If you aren't concerned about your health, then I guess that doesn't matter.

I care because that orange turnip allows other people to be proudly ignorant and bigoted.

Obviously i care that trump is in charge of a super power and worry for the policies he has.

What i worry about more is that (bar some sort of vote fraud) people are voting for him. It means that a massive chunk of people listen to recordings of him talking about sexual assualt, or listen to him adressing far right groups and still think that he is the person they want to lead them.

As a minority group, it worries me because it shows that underneath social niceties that lots of people vote for someone like him, presumably because they agree with him or simply dont care

It makes me sad, and makes me look at the people around me differently because i think the same could happen in the uk

I really do not care, but I think UK will need to set further trading with US post Brexit, so I think these elections are particularly important to UK.

No, do not care. The country is run much the same no matter whether a democrat or republican is the figurehead.

For example, the immigration scandal of families being separated at the US Mexico border in the detention centre was policy and done earlier under Obama as much as under Trump. No real difference to the people most affected. It was public pressure and outcry that caused change to occur. Not a change in presidential figurehead.

I'm not really interested to be honest. There's going to be riots no matter who wins over there, and trump might still find a way to stay in power as he's that determined to.

But I think we are getting trump anyway do not exactly optimistic about the situation.