How much do you care who wins the US election?

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Background: UK citizen here, residing in the UK and generally don't trust politicians.

I may be weird but I don't really care that much who wins the US election. AIBU? Everyone seems to be obsessed.

I feel for the Americans if they get stuck with Trump for another 4 years, however that problem feels so remote from my day to day reality and worries here in the UK. And what do I know about Biden? Absolutely nothing other than he seems like a nice old man.

So do you care? If so, why?

(Obviously if you have strong connection to the US either by citizenship, family or business, I assume you will care. This question is mainly for those of us who don't).

@Dawnlassie
Do you really think that climate change is caused by solar activity

@Barbzaaaaa i agree.
I had similar convo with my mom the other day- she for the first time admitted that my sis having no kids had probably made the right decision. I have 2 kids and i feel i brought them into an awful place.
Trump will mean endorsing all the other psychopats.

Humans dont have a great track record of learning from their mistakes so i hold little hope if any.

Well people can't "be" intrinsically illegal so that's just stupid talk.

@Leeaanb sorry, I was being misleading: I'm not in North Carolina. I just called myself this because I think it's going to be an important potential swing state as it could potentially indicate a newly significant demographic. I'm in the UK though. Fingers crossed for you all.

And no, I am not a fan of Trump at allbut I have started fact checking the various claims by Democratic sources and found a lot of it pretty untrue and misleading too. Biden is far more like the archetypical Republican kind of candidate than his image makeover suggests. He hasn’t got such a good track record when it comes to the interests of Black Americans, infamously was the architect of crime legislation in 1994, which caused disproportionate harm to people of colour and many remember his infamous words, calling them super predators. He vastly exaggerated his involvement with civil rights movements and in the early 70s did a U-turn on desegregating schools through busing. I don’t like Biden either and do not trust him at all.

I liked Obama, but I also have to admit this is true

The cages were introduced by good old Obama

I care desperately. If Trump loses, Johnson is massively weakened. I also think Johnson can sell our NHS to Trump in a way he can’t to Biden.

Firstly they are ILLEGALS with zero rights

You’re talking about children

As an american with a pre existing health condition, a whole hell of a lot. The anxiety and tension around here is nuts.

Honesty and morals don’t do well in modern world. I suppose they never did in human history either.
All history is littered with psychopats causing great sufferring to many for the benefit of the elite few. No, i have no hope

It was more the constant news, for months on end, about one man who died thousands of miles away, and the subsequent BLM hysteria. A woman died just across the channel in France recently. She was a mother of two children. She tried to warn people as she was being hacked to death. Her sister said she "fought like a warrior". She was decapitated by a terrorist. Where was BLM then? Where were all the celebrities and football stars taking a knee for her? Why wasn't she on our news 24 hours a day, 7 days a week

This with fucking bells on! Worse still some German spokesperson had the audacity to suggest that Simone Barreto Silva wasn't really a black woman, as she had led a 'white life', therefore not deserving of BLM's support. That comment has since been hidden on Twitter.

If Trump gets in we're heading for a no deal Brexit (goodbye NHS, hello shit farming standards).

If Biden gets in, Boris will at least try to strike a deal with Europe.

The outcome of this election will affect all of us.

Well it’s 2am on a school night and I’m sitting here on my own watching it so it maters to me.

This with fucking bells on! Worse still some German spokesperson had the audacity to suggest that Simone Barreto Silva wasn't really a black woman, as she had led a 'white life', therefore not deserving of BLM's support. That comment has since been hidden on Twitter.

I know. Its sickening

Simone Barreto Silva was such a massive hero, she was so brave and we lost her. I could cry when I read about her.

Where are the BLM crowd now? These celebs and the bleeding hearts. We don't even know her name in the UK never mind the USA. The media went all out for months covering the man in the USA. Literally months of news stories about him. I just don't understand it

Firstly they are ILLEGALS with zero rights and while you're looking up what that means you may want to fact check your data. The cages were introduced by good old Obama

They are CHILDREN who don't deserve to be punished for something they have no control over. I saw a news report last week where you could hear these little children crying for their parents and the guards just telling them to stop crying. I don't think I've ever cried watching the news before but those little voices crying 'papa' and 'mama' broke me.

I don't give a shite who introduced the cages, it's too late for that now, I care that someone can accept the inhumanity of them right now. And Trump's insistence that they're fine and well looked after proves he's not going to accept that. No child who is sobbing for their parents, who they might never be reunited with because they are lost in the system, is fine.

Trump's attitude towards the vulnerable is utterly sickening.

I'm watching it right now. I'm fascinated by the posturing, the rhetoric and the damn lies and statistics of politics.

I had considered Trump to be an arsehole too, initially, until they stuck Biden into the mix and I started to think that maybe Trump was the lesser of two evils.

If Biden and Trump are the best America has to offer their citizens, then America is doomed. Both of them seem like inept morons and neither have them have the statesmen-like qualities or the charisma I'd expect to see in the 'leader of the Western World', but at least Donny knows how to fire up the crowd.

Watching the build up to this current election, and the debates, I prefer Trumps' ballsy, egotistical yet seemingly more honest stance than the confused old-man Biden, who is also an arsehole, but bad-tempered and sneaky and who wants to pretend to be friends with 'minorities' even if his political record suggests the opposite...

@SpeccyLime

Firstly they are ILLEGALS with zero rights

You’re talking about children

Ugh, I hate this attitude toward these children so much, it is one of the main reason I vote Democrats.

From my republicans family and friends I hear " good, and maybe these illegal will think twice about coming here... we will take their children and eat them too" I am being dramatic but mainly they will lock them up and fend for themselves.

Or "they are illegal"

Or "why didn't they say something when Obama did it" ... well all I can say is why THEY (conservatives) didn't say anything? Is it because they didn't care? For me , I didn't know the whole story until someone investigated it.

No matter how much they justify it, it just shows they don't care for human rights.

I care hugely.

Get Trump out, he's not fit to be anywhere near the presidency.

American DP cares a huge amount.

Hence I am here, watching CNN at 2.40am. with wine...

@SpeccyLime

I care because the trump administration is separating the children of immigrants from their parents and keeping them in cages, and that is an issue which transcends borders and party allegiances.

You do know this is a long-standing US policy that was also in place under Obama?

It is deliberately obfuscated in this article but yes, immigrant children being separated from their parents in the US was happening before Trump ever ran for office: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/27/us/immigrant-children-sexual-abuse.html

@ComtesseDeSpair

I’m a Brit living with a American in the UK. I care in the sense that it’s an important election for the world rather than because I think either candidate is better than the other. I think had I been voting, I’d have genuinely struggled to cast mine.

For what it’s worth, DP and most of his family and friends back in Michigan are typical swing voters; he and most of them voted Trump both in 2016 and this year, not because they are Republican or pro-Trump but rather because they are anti-Clinton and Biden and would have voted Democrat each time had they run a different candidate.

That is so idiotic.

I live in the US and as bad as Trump is I really believe as soon as Biden wins the democrats will say he is unable to lead and Kamala Harris would be made President. People didn't vote for her in the primaries and Biden still hasn't got a clue what is happening.

Under Obama, those children were separated out of suspicion that these parents are not their parents. This time , they want to treat parents as criminals and they have an attitude of "like all criminals, they get separated from their kids"

I don't care. My values are Democratic on abortion, universal healthcare and gun control but I could never support the current Democratic Party.

Trump, as much as he is loathed, has done something unthinkable (and probably entirely by accident) and has basically created peace in the Middle East over the last few months. You won't hear about that anywhere.

He's also been a complete disaster in terms of the pandemic.

The Democrats, meanwhile, are currently overrun with virulent anti-semites and Marxists in the manner of Corbyn's Labour Party.

Biden has also committed to an "LGBT" pledge to be enacted within his first 100 days in office which will effectively send women back to the dark ages - no sex-segregated spaces, sports or anything.

On the other hand I'm hopeful Kamala Harris will get a better handle on the pandemic.

The reality is, in most ways life doesn't change for people government to government, here or in the US. Significant changes tend to be incremental and societal. For most people life hasn't gotten palpably worse under Trump which is why they may well vote him in again.

@Blueberries0112

Under Obama, those children were separated out of suspicion that these parents are not their parents. This time , they want to treat parents as criminals and they have an attitude of "like all criminals, they get separated from their kids"

Semantics. The policy was there before Trump. People only got hysterical about it because it was Trump.

@SebastianTheCrab

I don't care. My values are Democratic on abortion, universal healthcare and gun control but I could never support the current Democratic Party.

Trump, as much as he is loathed, has done something unthinkable (and probably entirely by accident) and has basically created peace in the Middle East over the last few months. You won't hear about that anywhere.

He's also been a complete disaster in terms of the pandemic.

The Democrats, meanwhile, are currently overrun with virulent anti-semites and Marxists in the manner of Corbyn's Labour Party.

Biden has also committed to an "LGBT" pledge to be enacted within his first 100 days in office which will effectively send women back to the dark ages - no sex-segregated spaces, sports or anything.

On the other hand I'm hopeful Kamala Harris will get a better handle on the pandemic.

The reality is, in most ways life doesn't change for people government to government, here or in the US. Significant changes tend to be incremental and societal. For most people life hasn't gotten palpably worse under Trump which is why they may well vote him in again.

*life hasn't gotten palpably worse pandemic-aside, I should say.