How much do you care who wins the US election?

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Background: UK citizen here, residing in the UK and generally don't trust politicians.

I may be weird but I don't really care that much who wins the US election. AIBU? Everyone seems to be obsessed.

I feel for the Americans if they get stuck with Trump for another 4 years, however that problem feels so remote from my day to day reality and worries here in the UK. And what do I know about Biden? Absolutely nothing other than he seems like a nice old man.

So do you care? If so, why?

(Obviously if you have strong connection to the US either by citizenship, family or business, I assume you will care. This question is mainly for those of us who don't).

Well, clearly he did actually say it. We’ve all heard it. Well, most of us.

Well, if you’re after ‘rustled jimmies’ (sounds grim), I suggest a wee jaunt to Junior’s Instagram page.

Butt-hurt snowflake tears doesn’t even begin to cover it...

I care a lot because US politics affect the world and because I think that Trump is the thin end of the wedge. His cavalier attitude to democracy and the rule of law legitimises even worse leaders elsewhere.

Not thrilled with Biden and the ID politicking Democrats. But Trump is worse IMO.

@LordLancington

I agree with the quote attributed to Orwell/Churchill which says "People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

I'd love to see a strong leader who isn't a misogynist etc and who represents a much better role model, but on the flipside I also think a lot of people today are completely out of touch with the wider world and are far too focused on identity politics and 'being nice'/virtue signalling etc. Of course, there is merit in this but it comes far behind basic survival, which is something the large majority of us lucky few (in worldwide terms) have lost touch with.

People like Kim Jong etc don't care about how nice we are. What matters is that he knows he'll be blown into the middle of next year if he fucks with NATO or sends any missiles our way.

The privileges most Western people take for granted were largely won by capitalistic, imperious men like Trump, and we owe much of our quality of life to our empires of days past. If all major world powers disarmed tomorrow I'd imagine things would change very rapidly as there are many less fortunate who want what we have and will take it given half a chance.

Whilst the general population argues about which toilet non binary people should use and becomes frightfully offended that somebody as misogynistic as Trump should ever gain office, there still remains the need to have leadership which can deter potential enemies. People often say on here "well, it's all male violence, perpetrated by men", but I doubt Kim Jong cares what they say. Whilst there are violent leaders out there (which there will always be) we need our own leaders to be capable of necessary violence, as it's pretty much human nature IMHO.

I'm not advocating for Trump, but I'm convinced a significant part of society would vote for some fluffy woke hipster given half a chance. I also agree with Churchill that "the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."

I have no idea what the solution is. I'm not very enthused by either choice and wager there are hundreds of better choices out there. I'd possibly even vote for Arnold Schwarzenegger over either of them tbh.

Biden is no pussy cat. No one at the top of US politics is, you don't get there by being weak. And he's not a wilfully stupid and openly divisive figure.

Obama was a clever, articulate, likeable person. But he'd've pressed the button if necessary.

@LordLancington

I dare say there are a fair few indigenous communities in nations around the world who aren’t all that delighted with imperialism. But I guess they don’t matter.

Well, they clearly don't matter enough to the majority as people don't seem to be bending over backwards to help them. What I'm saying is that it's easy to be anti-capitalist when you live in a nice cushy society built on capitalism and imperialism. All the people who want a socialist government....so long as they can keep the nice car, iphone, and washing machine.

Everyone’s a socialist until they can’t get an iPhone.

I haven’t RFT but for those harping on about the cages being Obama’s - yes, they were introduced then, but not to separate mothers from their babies. There was no ‘zero tolerance’ policy in place and 500+ kids aren’t effectively orphaned because a giant orange arsehole hasn’t lost their parents.

www.factcheck.org/2019/08/falsehoods-about-family-separations-linger-online/

I care who wins the election because we live as part of a wider society and what happens in the world’s greatest superpower, that holds itself up as a nation of freedom and democracy, matters.

No one want a true capitalism either. I never believe in a true socialism either.

YOU have a choice, OP, and other people with money. Those who are less well off don’t. And that’s what those children will eat. Do you not care because they’re poor and not you?

@Dugger57

YOU have a choice, OP, and other people with money. Those who are less well off don’t. And that’s what those children will eat. Do you not care because they’re poor and not you?

Sorry, that was meant to be quoting the message from the OP above saying something about how they don’t care about chlorinated chicken, because they’ll always be the choice to buy organic.

“Reply” / “quote” fail!

*there will.
Arg never post while doing a lot of other things!!

The US withdrew from the Paris climate agreement yesterday, formally. That was Trump's doing. The US is the world's largest contributor to climate change. We do share a planet. ..

Trump doesn't believe in climate change, reverses agreements to mitigate it and promotes policies that make it worse. That alone is enough for me to want him out.

To answer the original OP

I do care who wins

I don't see why we have wall to wall coverage on our mainstream media. It reinforces the idea that we are America's lapdog