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Not sure about giving our cleaner a second chance - AIBU?

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Sydney88 · 01/11/2020 23:02

Hi all,

I'm really not sure what to do about the situation with my cleaner. I think we may need to let her go and find another but wanted to get some objective thoughts before deciding what to do.

YANBU - I should let her go
YABU - Keep her on

By way of background, I have had the same cleaner for about 5 years and we have always been happy with her. She comes every fortnight and stays the entire day (we pay over market rate for her time) - she cleans, does a bit of tidying, washes a few dishes from the morning and changes the beds. We recently moved from a flat to a house - the house is fairly large (right now its me and my husband and our 6 month old). We always give the house a quick tidy before she comes. But it's not a show home and we have a new baby - so there is a little bit of clutter in a few places. For instance, I have my breakfast cereals on the side of the kitchen counter - but that's by choice because its convenient for me. I may also leave a couple of baby bits here and there, as I'm using the house. I should add that we are in the process of renovating, so there are only four rooms that are in use (our bedroom, our ensuite, the play/temporary sitting room and the kitchen). The remaining bedrooms and living rooms are not in use.

So last week, my cleaner opened up to me about the fact that she is struggling with all her clients (she was really upset about it). She said that ever since COVID things have changed and she believes that people are playing mind games with her on purpose. She told me that people are leaving things arranged in a way that she doesn't know what to do. I suggested to her that people are perhaps using their homes more (since people are wfh etc) and so homes may not be as super organised as before - and for her to just ask her clients what they want her to do and for their expectations. Apparently, she has left a couple of long standing clients over this. She has also changed her style of cleaning so that she will move things to clean but move them back to exactly where originally (even if it is clear that it hasn't been arranged in that specific position like a book on the side - which makes her job take even longer).

Last week I walked into the kitchen while she was there and she starts complaining to me about the kitchen - regarding the items in the corner (i.e. the breakfast cereals and the baby's high chain table). I told her I was happy if she didn't clean that area if it is too difficult for her. She told me that this is not compatible with her new method of cleaning. I told her that I had a newborn and apologised that things are a little less organised but that I haven't really changed in the way I use my home - she strongly disagreed and she said it was not an excuse and not good enough. She also said it wasn't normal and was getting very aggressive at this point. I told her I don't organise my life around her cleaning and walked away from the situation. I was really upset at this point. Later she said that it wasn't worth her while to be making the journey to clean our house and for us to get a local cleaner. She effectively said that she had thought that we could come to an arrangement as to how I organise my home. When my DH came home from work, she was just leaving - so he struck up conversation regarding the whole thing (I had obviously called hime earlier in the day about it). She proceeded to rant about everything (and about me, the government and about other clients) but then said she was happy working for us. We said that we should all give it a think and that we would get back to her.

She has since messaged my husband to apologise for upsetting me and for being unprofessional.

I'm not sure what to do at this point. She is a very good cleaner and a nice lady. But I'm worried that she has become paranoid and unstable and wonder whether it is a good idea to keep her on. But if we let her go, I would feel terribly guilty - especially if she is losing income in these times.

OP posts:
MzHz · 01/11/2020 23:35

She’s struggling mentally, so many are.

You value her and trust her. That counts for a lot. She’s struggling with mess and not wanting to get things wrong.

Work with her, or suggest she comes every week but for half a day and give her a specific list of things to do?

It won’t always be like this.

Poppingnostopping · 01/11/2020 23:42

I wouldn't be ok with this. I have a cleaner to make my life easier and my relationship with them is professional.She sounds quite paranoid and she's getting distressed about aspects of her job, and then passing that onto you. The amount of cleaning isn't enough for the time and day of pay and I would prefer to have a straightforward relationship with my cleaner, not one where I felt sorry for her or had difficulty managing it, then it's not a luxury for me, it's a stress.

Ylvamoon · 01/11/2020 23:46

5 years is a long time. Maybe she is a bit overwhelmed with your new home? I would calmly talk her through the tasks you want her to do / how / where to tidy or clean.
Ask her if she is ok with this and give her a 2-3 week trial, to see if she improves and is happy with the jobs.
If things don't improve or she still finds it difficult, then you should let her go.

WhereverIGoddamnLike · 01/11/2020 23:48

What exactly is her new method? And how does your current living style not work with it?

Has she maybe had problems with creating up stuff people have left around so she can then clean, and they've had a go at her because it was work product they had left out since they're now wfh, so now she is scared of moving things and tidying up so she can clean?

If you've known her 5 years, could you talk with her? Then decide if she can do the job the way you want it without melting down?

friendlycat · 01/11/2020 23:50

Sounds a tricky situation. You are being kind by giving it thought. Some might have accepted her stance of “get a local cleaner”. How far does she actually have to travel to you?

On the one hand I would think I don’t need this angst in my own house, on the other hand you are feeling guilty. If you want to continue perhaps you need a frank chat about expectations, give it one more shot and if there are still problems sadly it is your house and your choice who you employ. There would be many who would not entertain difficult situations in their own home quite understandably.

Elizaaa · 01/11/2020 23:52

But op doesn't need her cleaner to be ok with doing the jobs. She needs a cleaner that does the jobs she wants done.

As said above, I'd find someone else. She's self employed, her health issues are hers to deal with, not for the op to pussyfoot around.

EmeraldShamrock · 01/11/2020 23:55

If she self employed and causing distress I'd look for someone local.

Twintub · 01/11/2020 23:58

Surprised at these answers if she has never behaved like this over 5 years then it sounds like she is on the verge of a breakdown.

saraclara · 01/11/2020 23:59

Sorry, but if my cleaner spoke to me like that, I'd ask her not to come back.

I'm usually a soft touch, but seriously:
I told her that I had a newborn and apologised that things are a little less organised but that I haven't really changed in the way I use my home - she strongly disagreed and she said it was not an excuse and not good enough. She also said it wasn't normal and was getting very aggressive at this point.

...and this was over some cereal packets on the work surface?

This is YOUR home. Your cleaner doesn't dictate where you put your cereal. It's laughable.

SBTLove · 02/11/2020 00:03

If she’s always been reliable and a good worker I’d put it down to a bad day. She sounds overwhelmed, being self employed at present is not easy.
I’d sit down with her and have a coffee and a chat, I think the fact she’s apologised says she realises she’s been daft.

violetbunny · 02/11/2020 00:03

Perhaps if a few things have changed since you originally took her on, it's time to have a chat about what your expectations are for what she should be doing in the day you are paying her for. Perhaps she's feeling unnecessary pressure (which might not actually be coming from you) to clean things to the same level as before but is finding it hard with more clutter / things / people / renovation work in the way.

MadameMeursault · 02/11/2020 00:04

I think she is unwell. I wouldn’t sack her over this, I would talk to her about it. I’d feel terrible if she was struggling with her mental health and I made things worse. But I’m a bit of a soft-touch I’m afraid. If you’re in England you’ll have 4 weeks break from her coming up so you can maybe chat to her during that time and try to sort things out,

TheVamoosh · 02/11/2020 00:06

This kind of thing is why I use a cleaning company instead. If you have issues then they will deal with them on your behalf, even if that means sending someone else to do the work.

People have so much misplaced guilt about using a cleaning service. You wouldn't put up with this from a builder.

Sydney88 · 02/11/2020 00:09

Thanks all. I'm thinking perhaps to call her and sound out where things are at now - by explaining what I need from her and that I will not be restructuring my home around her. If then tries to insist on her method then I'll have to let her go.

I do worry about her new paranoia (where she thinks her clients are all out to get her by placing things around their homes so as to play games with her) - if this gets worse, I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable having her around anymore.

I really want her to get help for her mental health. Perhaps I should suggest something gently. At the same time, I don't want to become the sounding board for her problems - I really just want a cleaner...

OP posts:
0DimSumMum0 · 02/11/2020 00:10

She sounds like she is getting very anxious about working in other peoples homes during the pandemic, and quite rightly so really when the mixing of households is not encouraged. Maybe her new method of working is one she feels helps her to take precautions and minimise the risk to herself. It doesn't really excuse how she has treated you though, but if it were me I would give her the benefit of the doubt seeing as though she has been with you for so long.

Nikori · 02/11/2020 00:11

Did she actually say that she wanted to continue to clean for you? My understanding is that she sacked you as clients but was just apologising for the way it happened, but maybe I've misunderstood.

Nikori · 02/11/2020 00:12

Sorry, I just re-read. I think good cleaners are hard to find and it is stressful dealing with all these changes. I'd give her another chance and see how it goes.

EatTheHamTina · 02/11/2020 00:14

That's kid behaviour from her.
I used to clean houses and never had an issue with putting stuff back to where they belonged.

Toddlerteaplease · 02/11/2020 00:14

Is she scared about going into peoples homes? But has no choice because she needs the money. I always go out when my cleaner is around as I'm in the way!

NeonGenesis · 02/11/2020 00:14

Far too much drama. Find a new cleaner.

Leaannb · 02/11/2020 00:16

@donquixotedelamancha

She's been with you 5 years and is clearly struggling. I would not sack someone over one incident.

I would, however, speak to her and check she still wants to continue. If you are less organised now perhaps she needs more time or a clearly agreed smaller amount to do.

OP didn't sack jer. She sacked OP and told her to get someone local. This is on her
Sydney88 · 02/11/2020 00:16

@Nikori - she was backtracking to my husband before she left and indicated that she wanted to continue. But it's not clear whether she would only want to continue on her terms (i.e. the restructuring of the house). It seems this does need to be clarified.

OP posts:
saraclara · 02/11/2020 00:17

Later she said that it wasn't worth her while to be making the journey to clean our house and for us to get a local cleaner.

I'd simply say "I'm sorry that you're finding our house difficult to clean now that I have the baby. You were clearly very unhappy when we spoke the other day, but I'm afraid I will be continuing to run my own house in my own way. I quite understand that this difficulty and the distance you have to travel to get to us are making this job untenable for you. I've appreciated all you've done for us over the last five years, and I hope you'll be able to find a more suitable job closer to home".

Enough4me · 02/11/2020 00:19

Too much has been said to go back. I would politely confirm that you accept her suggestion to seek local help rather than ask her to travel a distance. Write her a reference for the previous work and pass her a copy if that helps. Then move on with a new cleaner.

Sydney88 · 02/11/2020 00:22

@Toddlerteaplease - we haven't put any pressure on her to come back and paid her as usual during the first wave of COVID when she wasn't comfortable coming to our house to clean.

When she was telling me about her stresses regarding other clients, I did ask her whether it was because she worried about COVID exposure but she answered that it wasn't that. But who knows, perhaps there is an element of that?

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