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What do you dislike most about today's society?

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RUNFAST11 · 01/11/2020 18:34

For me this society has made good steps i.e. gender equality, fight against racism and speaking out on mental health.

However, there are aspects which I dislike.

  1. Posting everything on social media (nowadays a lot of people feel like they need to post everything on social media which can be dangerous as someone who is not close to you can know important details of your life)

  2. Consumerism (wanting new things, latest stuff etc..) I think see this especially with children who want what their friends have such as the latest phone, shoes, laptop etc..

  3. The world is more individualistic rather than collectivist (Before we used to check up on our elderly relatives, neighbours and would have a chat to people say who we saw outside.) Another example is bashing people on benefits, free school meals rather than helping these individuals some see them as scroungers which is totally wrong.

  4. Too much hypocrisy (We see people making campaigns like #BeKind but they are the same people who bully others.)

  5. We need to teach more real life things from an early age that impacts everyone (i.e. cooking, finance, savings etc..)

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stuckdownahole · 02/11/2020 06:15

Before the virtual world became a thing, people were accountable to the community for their actions and you had to rub along with the people who lived near you. We can now spend a large portion of our time online which offers the temptation of controlling our interactions to a greater degree.

It's also much easier to create an alternative persona which might be done in a broadly harmless way, such as using a photo on your Tinder profile from 10 years ago, but could equally allow you to give free rein to your negative side. There's no esprit d'escalier on Twitter, you can blurt out that devastating rude comeback and get applause (likes) for it. Anyone who admonishes you can be simply removed from your virtual life.

We now have a generation who have grown up in this virtual world, and we're seeing the effect of that in some of their real-world behaviour. It's disconcerting.

Graciebobcat · 02/11/2020 06:18

Male violence and toxic masculinity - the main problem with the world since forever.

Fifthtimelucky · 02/11/2020 07:40

I agree with much of what has been said but disagree with the dog poo comments. I think I people are much better at this than they used to be. I'm nearly 60 and in my youth I don't remember anyone ever picking up dog poo except for my great aunt (who also used to take a tissue with her and wipe her dog's bottom after a poo). Picking up dog poo is now the expected thing. Of course not everyone does it, but you will never get 100% compliance.

Chickenandrice · 02/11/2020 07:45

The what’s in it for me attitude and entitlement of everyone.

The constant social media which makes everyone feel inadequate

Bagpuss324 · 02/11/2020 07:53

I think many people have an impact alright Jack' mentality, and don't seem to care about the hardship of others until it affects them.

For example, I know lots of people with cushy civil service jobs, who have been working from home all year. They love it as they're doing about 3 hours a day with no commute. They want another lockdown and say the people who are opposed and are hating the lockdown as they have lost their jobs/ on the verge of losing their jobs are being selfish.

I think they would change their tune if their livelihood was on the line

SchrodingersImmigrant · 02/11/2020 08:21

Also the thing how everyone says "everyone" when they mean "some" (and themselves) to either try to give their opnion/argument bigger weight or it's in a hope it is not just them and some, but actually everyone.

Eg. Everyone feels depressed because of ferling inadequate due to the social media...
Everyone is forced to have new Iphone.
Everyone is grabby.
"Everyone is obsessed with looks and lip fillers"

LittleMG · 02/11/2020 08:56

Toris.... EVERYWHERE!

dontdisturbmenow · 02/11/2020 09:04

I mostly dislike how people nowadays co sider that everything that goes wrong in their lives are someone else's fault and the sense of entitlement that comes with it.

It reminds me of my teenage boy moaning that he can't find his football shirt, coming to me asking where I've put it, him going on about how it can't be him having misplaced it in his mess, and how it is all my fault because I wash his clothes. When he finally find it, in his mess, it's still my fault that his room is a mess in the first place.

He's grown out of it as he entered early adulthood. Sadly many more never seem to and will continue to refuse to take any responsibity for what goes wrong in their lives. Mum becomes their partner, their boss, their neighbour, and of course, the government.

MiddleClassMother · 02/11/2020 09:05

The greed. I'm not the biggest fan of capitalism, but it does work. I don't think socialism ever will.

Frokni · 02/11/2020 09:12
  1. Huge lack of accountability in parenting and caring for family
  1. I hate the fact that university costs so much and desperately hope my girls don't go to university in 13 years time where it could all be so much worse cost-wise
  1. Science and academia being disregarded as it doesn't fall in line with what people want to believe and completely miss the irony when they preach to made up facts and statistics as if their lives depended on it
  1. Going to get flamed for this- freedom of speech is too free and I believe it contributes to point 3 of my points. If you shout loud enough you get a voice no matter how horrid or stupid.
malificent7 · 02/11/2020 09:37

Lack of generosity.....people assuming that people cannot feed their lids as they must be spending their "copious" benefits on flat screen tvs and drugs.

Women still marrying for money...some who marry rich men then berating poor women for having kids with bad dads.

The prevelance of bad dads....take some fucking responsibility ..be more accountable.

Rampant consumerism.

crazyspaniellady · 02/11/2020 09:38

Humans in general...

Rampant consumerism, the throw-away culture, highlighted perfectly by halloween - mountains of plastic crap used for a day then thrown out on the first. Can’t wait for the repeat at Christmas!! I recommend “The Story Of Stuff”, it’s a book but there is also a video on youtube, it really makes you think twice about the whole manufacturing process/consumer culture.

SM in general, I gave up facebook 5 years ago, and instagram just before lockdown (I wasn’t one for posting, I lurked and consumed what I thought was the content I enjoyed) and I’ve come to realise that the whole thing is just toxic, anxiety inducing and tbh a bit pointless.

The constant “keeping up with the Joneses”, where I live the majority of people seem to drive an Audi/BMW, decked out in (mostly fake) designer goods, there’s a massive focus put on to what you have, not the kind of person you are. Everything’s on credit, people must be up to their eyeballs in debt paying for the cars, the fake fat and the same GREY house that everyone else lives in, over it!!! 🙄 What’s happened to individuality?

Plastic EVERYWHERE. Why are all the vegetables in plastic?? The amount of actual loose produce seems to be dwindling where I live. And the intensive farming of animals for meat (where half of it just ends up in the bin anyway?) I’m a meat eater, I just don’t eat it every day and when I do I choose sustainable sources for my meat, but I appreciate that I’m in a privileged position where I can be picky/pay that little extra.

I also feel like we’ve just become lazier as a society, I’m generalising as I appreciate that not EVERYONE is like this, but the easy way out is usually the first choice. A bit of hard work? Nah mate, I’d rather scroll through TikTok for hours etc. I despair for my generation and those after me, my niece is 8 and spends more time glued to a screen on a tablet/games console than I ever did, and would rather just sit and play Roblox etc than actually do something. I also wish people would just PUT THEIR BLOODY PHONES DOWN!

To the poster that said something about the bullying being worse, I agree and I left school almost a decade ago so I can only imagine that it has got even worse than what I experienced. I think the biggest difference now is that the bullying doesn’t stop at the school gates anymore, it follows you home and is absolutely relentless, as the internet never sleeps.

RaspberryCoulis · 02/11/2020 09:39

Self appointed Covid monitors who pull "roolz" out of their arses and scream at people to stay the fuck at home.

MushMonster · 02/11/2020 09:47

Polarisation seems to be quickly in the rise, and spreading to more and more things in life. I think it started with Brexit, then politics in general, then covid, and now nationalisms seem to be adding fuel to this. It gives a feeling of division, instead of cooperation, and togetherness is far far away from most of today's news.

Spreadingchestnut · 02/11/2020 10:37

Totally agree about polarisation in relation to Covid debates. People are "pro"" or "anti" lockdown or have to take an absolutist position when, being between a rock and a hard place, there is no right or wrong, or magic solution. Boris Johnson and his adversarial schoolboy point-scoring isn't helping. We need to compromise and cooperate. Surely the two leading political parties could set an example in Parliament and work together during this crisis?

Hellomoonstar · 02/11/2020 10:45

For the best thing in my view of schools remaining open being that parents can save on heating bill. There has been lot of job losses and more job losses are to follow. Before people used to go to the warm library and read a book or two. Where will people go now? This government is only interested it’s friends not children. We are being divided so easily.

The race to the bottom.

GrumpyMiddleAgedWoman · 02/11/2020 10:51

Lots, but emotional thinking and #nodebate are both getting me aerated at the moment.

Yippeeforme · 02/11/2020 16:29

The fact that racists and xenophobes still exist, after everything the world has been through

The fact that money is more important to the world's major corporations than not trashing the planet

The fact that everyone is completely desensitised to the existence of slavery

The fact that food is wasted all the time among wealthy nations, yet there are still people starving to death

The lack of empathy towards those less fortunate and the failure of people to recognise that so much of what's good in their life is down to luck and that it takes just a bit of bad luck to end up homeless on the streets and takes a heck of a lot of good luck to get back on your feet

Generally, society still has a lot of growing up to do.

ForthPlace · 02/11/2020 19:32

I didn’t say he must have mental health problems, but factually disrupted sleeping pattern, lack of concentration, not completing tasks, lack of interest in work and studies, procrastination, those are all standard signs of the most common mental health problems.Misinterpreting what other people are saying, as in you thinking me saying they are symptoms means that he must have a mental health problem. Well, that’s magical thinking, where you make assumptions about what someone else thinks. That’s not a symptom, but it is a vulnerability to mental health issues that can be dealt with through CBT @Stripesnomore*

And I know him well, if he had a MH issue I'd be fine with that too and support him.
However, I know him well (obviously) and he doesn't have MH issues. What he needed was some resilience for when he has to knuckle down and some strategies to support him to organise his time. Advise and support given, a touch of reality and a 'get on with it'.

I think you have yourself proved just what I was trying to disprove. 'Claiming' MH issues when there are none, shouldn't be used as an easy way out. He was doing a real disservice to those with genuine MH issues rather than admit he was partying too much and too lazy to organise himself.

plominoagain · 02/11/2020 19:40

People who think that they can do what they like , when they like , how they like , no matter who they inconvenience or upset , without fear of consequence. Who then scream about abuse and oppression when they’re told no, because they simply are so used to having their cake , eating it and making trifle out of it too.

Emeeno1 · 02/11/2020 20:11

The idea that everything you experience negatively as an adult stems back to your childhood and parents. It has allowed every single one of us to place blame, to feel wronged, to expect perfection where there has never been perfection.

And the lack of forgiveness when something has gone wrong. There is so much encouragement to cut people out I wonder if we will all end up isolated people hurling insults at each other across the internet.

Oblomov20 · 02/11/2020 20:34

I don't like the current trend of child centred parenting. I believe that even the nicest children are thus unappreciative and don't realise how good they have it.

WonderMoon · 02/11/2020 20:38

How swayed we are by the media. How an important story could get shoved to the side by another more headline grabbing 'exclusive'.
These 'exclusives' often come out at convenient times....

People who refuse to believe climate change. You can't have a discussion with these types of people.
They think the facts are made up no matter what evidence you put before them.

How being kind somehow equates to being weak to some people. Theres a kind of dog eat dog mentality or ' Well, I look out for myself' feel to it. If everyone was just abit kinder and looked out for one another the world would be a much better place. Abit simplistic but true.

safariboot · 02/11/2020 20:44

Twitter. I consider it the worst invention of the 21st century. It's resulted in the elimination of reasoned debate. When everything has to be reduced to a 140 character soundbite, all that can be done is stating dogmas and hurling insults.

And as a consequence of that, baying mobs on social media who think the response to someone you disagree with should be to abuse them in public, but the most vile abuse and threats is done cowardly in private. AKA "cancel culture".

That the rich have succeeded in setting the working poor against the out of work poor.

ChelseeDagger · 02/11/2020 20:59

The cult of self interest, it borders on the satanic.

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