To think that all the idiots have brought us back to total lockdown ?

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So frustrated with all the people, from the ineffective and blustering MP to the idiots out trick or treating tonight............

When will people learn that a bloody pandemic cannot be ignored and that insisting on personal freedoms/ personal preferences is NOT going to shorten the lock downs or save the vulnerable ?

EOHO - 8-17% of infections can be attributed to the Eat Out scheme. Government-run scheme.

No action taken by govt in response to the upturn in infections 4 weeks ago while well-informed voices calling for a short lockdown while schools were off were ignored- so we now need to endure a longer, harder lockdown for the same result.

No govt requirement for older children to wear masks. There's a strong correlation between schools going back and infections rising.

Inadequate govt financial support for people on low incomes to self-isolate adequately.

Ludicrous government rules closing pubs at 10 as if that would make a difference.

No testing at airports, and holidays abroad are permitted by the government. 80% of the virus circulating in the UK is a Spanish variant.

Yes personal responsibility is important and many infections will be traceable to poor personal decision-making but ffs the dithering and lack of leadership in this country to mitigate a highly infectious disease is a fucking disgrace. You'd get more leadership and informed decision making off my mum and she certainly didn't have the best education and advice money can buy.

@romeolovedjulliet

for every person who has ever complained about the handling of the covid, i'd be interested to know how they would have handled it, got it all under control and would get a vaccine pushed through within a month or two.

Oh, I dunno.

Maybe if the NHS hadn't been completely systematically fucked over by sucessive tory governments.

Maybe if we had adequte testing capacity.

Maybe if government ministers and advisors didn't openly break their own rules and recieve no punishment for doing so.

Maybe if T&T wasn't being run off a spreadsheet.

Maybe if the government hadn't given billions to private companies to provide unsuitable PPE.

Maybe if the government had listened to all scientific advice and restricted things faster to repeat the mistake made in March.

Maybe if the government hadn't spent a month encouraging people to go to Nandos.

But there, they've totally got it right. Yay Boris.

@BoingBoingyBoing

This is the fucking useless stupid cunt we have in charge. This fucking clown was who people voted for.

Of course we're in a fucking state.

I actually like Boris -

But your post and pic of him has just had me in fucking stitches 😂😂😂 Belter!

School, college and universities are hotbeds of it.

And work places, there's no enforcement with regards to work from home if you can. Loads of people reporting that they're in offices with 50 + people, no social distancing /masks/screens, including our very own NHS. Plus plenty people posting that their employers are forcing them in despite the fact they should be isolating.

@PhilSwagielka and mine. An 81 year old mother with dementia, locked in a care home. Why the fuck are we keeping her and her fellow residents alive at all costs? Locking them in their rooms for weeks to stop the virus. Why? They have no quality of life. They reaped the benefits of the post-war boom and led a charmed life. Why the fuck are we admitting these people to hospital? Are we pursuing immortality now?

‘’It’s a virus, it spreads’’ well, of course it does, we know this. That does not change the fact that people have given it more opportunities to spread by mixing with people, refusing to isolate, not wearing a mask, not washing hands, believing conspiracies and attending protests. Clearly. That’s the point.

I get the MH side. I really do.

Do you? Really?

Well to be fair it wasn't just the idiots.

We all knew that it wasn't going to just go away. We can only control the speed of spread for now until we have a vaccine. Which means lock-downs and endless tedious precautions and restrictions.

Still having a fifth column working for the virus isn't helping.

trick or treating tonight

Yeah OP there’s a reason there’s no requirement to wear a mask outside. It doesn’t spread nearly as easily. I somehow don’t think trick or treating will be a huge problem.

@SqidgeBum you’re completely right in all respects.....however if people stopped being such selfish dicks we could control it a bit better and we wouldn’t see the insane exponential growth we have now. By a collective effort of being careful and sensible we could control it....obviously not eliminate it because as you’ve pointed out that I s impossible and there are areas of people’s lives where it will continue to spread which we cannot shut down. But there are many areas and behaviours we can control which in turn will control the virus and means we won’t have to resort to lockdown situations.

It’s about everyone talking measures where they can.

All the people I know who’ve had it - 10 now (and two have died - both men in their 50’s), all bar 2 know/knew where they got it from and it was from doing things they could have avoided (and in a couple of cases shouldn’t have been doing anyway) which was socialising indoors with no social distancing with members of other households.

To a certain extent, I do agree.

I know people can’t necessarily help catching it, but I haven’t had coronavirus, nor has anyone I personally know, so it’s incredibly frustrating that our lives are so heavily impacted. It’s a very difficult time to be a graduate in your early 20s, trying to begin your professional career. It’s honestly depressing.

I am sure there are quite a few reasons the virus is spreading but it is hardly helped by so many people totally ignoring the rules.

Me and DH have abided by the rules totally, probably even more than we have had to. My family too abiding by all the rules.

Then I think about my neighbours who on the whole ignored the rules right from the beginning. Having others in their house, meeting up with far more than 5, hugging them all, not isolating when they should have. Going to work when someone in the house had symptoms (and I am talking nurses, carers and other hospital workers).

Lots of my neighbours work in a hospital and their attitude has disgusted me

Somewhat but each European country is facing the same

YANBU, but people are selfish fuckers and will always find an excuse for why they should be the exception.

YABU. The virus has become endemic. Once it's been allowed to get sufficiently embedded, no amount of giving up trick or treats will stop it. In order for society to stay functioning, even if schools closed again we still require millions of people to work outside their homes, some of whom are in jobs where SD isn't possible. It's well and truly here now and this was inevitable, especially with the schools open (which I am not against). TLDR- this was inevitable once the initial response was ballsed up.

The issue was ‘eat out to help out’ which was basically ‘eat out to spread it about’

To put it not very politely you're a mug for believing the government's propaganda that its individuals causing this. The blame lies entirely with the government.

Pp's are saying this second wave has happened everywhere. That's not true. Gov should have learned from countries in the far east that have experienced SARS. But they tried to avoid the economic cost and now we have the worst of both worlds.

Cases were pretty low before schools started. We can't keep locking away, we have to learn to live with it. Since the ease of the lockdown during the summer months, I haven't done 90% of the things that I normally would have done. I kept my social bubble very small and a lot of people I know who have also done the same hence why we never met up. I haven't seen most of my family since Feb, I kept a small bubble with parents and siblings only. It's not as if the majority of the people were out hosting massive indoor parties. Virus spreads whether you're shielding or not. It's going to happen in a matter of time even during lockdown. People have jobs, businesses and other financial commitment to get by day to day. We should stop pointing fingers at each other and spying on our neighbours. For me, Christmas means fuck all if I've lost 364 days of my freedom, my business and my home. I would rather risk myself with the virus than live like this.

Oh and yes this Government are a disgrace and completely incompetent which is certainly at the crux of it.

Also to give the idiots the benefit of the doubt, the Government's messaging has been atrocious, and I genuinely believe lots of people are sadly just too dim to be able to sort through the muddle and understand what they should and shouldn’t be doing and how the virus actually spreads.

why are we screwing the world up to save the over 65s

And what if this virus targeted babies and children? What if we were seeing pictures from around the world of nicu and picu beds full ? I’m pretty sure those ‘over 65s’ that so many think don’t matter as much would be doing all they could to make sacrifices and save lives

The Tories aren't in charge in Germany or France who are facing lockdown too though, are they? This is completely unprecedented, all governments are trying to manage the number of cases without completely destroying their economy - which will also lead to deaths.

People have been too blasé about masks and ditched social distancing from what I have seen. The masks have given people a false sense of security and may not even work - hardly anyone is keeping their distance from others.

This reminds me of the threads during lockdown where someone would go to the beach and then post on here that the place was filled with people. Erm, yes. You were one of them.
OP, I don't know what your job is, but if you've been working in an office, at a school, as a bus driver, at a hospital, or in a supermarket, you may have unwittingly spread it. If you have a child, or grandchild at school, they may have spread it. The virus wasn't eradicated in June. 70 million people moving about is a risk.

think you’ve got to remember masks are not 100% effective. So whilst your judging ‘idiots’ you could actually be spreading it yourself.

Possibly the stupidest thing I’ve read today.

Nothing is 100% effective. But if something is even 50% effective you are doing better preventatively with it than without it.

People not wearing masks (unless exempt) = idiots who have contributed to where we are now. People wearing masks = not idiots who are doing something to prevent the spread.

@GuyFawkesDay

School, college and universities are hotbeds of it.

Rates will be slower to reduce with secondary and older kids in school.

I’m so happy they’re keeping schools and universities open. Why should the lives of young people be sacrificed in favour of the lives of 90 year olds who will mostly have died of old age anyway before pre-Covid normality returns?

There’s been high compliance in Italy (because they were so affected by their first wave understandably) and yet their numbers are still increasing dramatically.

This is just what a virus does.