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312 replies

Clappingforjoy · 31/10/2020 12:24

So aibu to think that anybody that draws cartoons of the prophet is asking for trouble and to wonder why the hell they do it and risk been attacked in the most barbaric way why oh why risk it.

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Stripesnomore · 01/11/2020 17:57

The point of the naked one was to mock a recent very poor quality film that had depicted Mohammed as homosexual. The accompanying cartoons were also about over hyped films.

The bomb cartoon I assume is commentary on how Islamist terrorists view Mohammed. It’s quite a moving cartoon for anyone with faith who has experienced people of all faiths with ‘not enough religion to love but enough religion to hate.’

SharonasCorona · 01/11/2020 17:57

I think lots of people do get off on anything that upsets Muslims. They actively enjoy it.

I think the people who spit on Muslims, rip their hijabs off, call them Pakis etc are abhorrent but even worse are the ones that who put on a polite face in public and inwardly feel glee at anything that upsets Muslims.

BuggerBognor · 01/11/2020 17:58

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blueangel19 · 01/11/2020 18:03

Examples of what? I have concerns and as I said if people are suffering from France banning the burka/ hijab or anything else I personally would move because the world is round and too short to live suffering. I just do not understand the demographics numbers and the suffering.

blueangel19 · 01/11/2020 18:05

Or even better I would embrace the local culture and adapt.

Stripesnomore · 01/11/2020 18:05

‘I think the people who spit on Muslims, rip their hijabs off, call them Pakis etc are abhorrent but even worse are the ones that who put on a polite face in public and inwardly feel glee at anything that upsets Muslims.‘

People have all sorts of negative fantasies. It is far worse to actually act them out through name calling, spitting and ripping people’s clothes off than keeping fantasies in your own head.

It’s a topsy turvy world of identity politics where private thoughts are deemed worse that public actions.

WelcomeToManderley · 01/11/2020 18:29

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MrFish323 · 01/11/2020 18:30

[quote WelcomeToManderley]@MrFish323

When you post things like that on here, do you ever consider that there are many Muslim women reading or how it must feel for so many people like you to have so much hatred towards them based purely on their faith?

And don’t come back with the “not all Muslims” bullshit because you’ve made it very evident in your post that you see Muslims and extremists as one and the same.[/quote]
Let's be very clear. There are 13 countries where I, as an atheist, face the death penalty. I have every reason to want the fascist political ideology of Islam neutered. The hatred I have of Islam, is in response to the hatred that Islam has for me as an unbeliever. I suggest you educate yourself and read the Quran and Hadits and follow some ex-Muslims on Youtube. Even if a Muslim opposed the death penalty for unbelievers, they wouldn't speak up to protect them, as they would end up getting the chop also.

Quran 9:5 And when the forbidden months have passed, kill the idolaters wherever you find them and take them prisoners, and beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent and observe Prayer and pay the Zakat, then leave their way free. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

This is a very important verse, because Muslims were under no threat from the idolaters, or they would have been allowed to defend themselves during the forbidden months. Thus, this is an attack, not a defense. This is a command from Allah and cannot be challenged.
This is just one of many versers of intollerance.
I grew up on a council estate in Northern Ireland in the 70s and 80s. I was with a friend when we passed Gerard McLaverty. The person I was with said, 'Show us your scars Gerry.' He rolled up his sleeves. Nothing prepared that 13 year old boy for what he saw that day. About 8 years later I read Martin Dillon's book and saw the photos of his arms just after they were stitched. That was nothing compared to the horror I observed that day. You want to get me started on Christianity, start a thread on it and let me know. evilbible.com is your one stop shop. If people are offended, that I am offended because I could be legally killed in 13 countries, or because I am described in the Quran as, '...the worst of living creatures.' then it calls into question their moral compass. Am I supposed to sit in silence when all this is going on? I have every right to be offended and to offend those who support, follow, or promote what is going on. I am not calling for anyone to hurt or killed. I am calling for an end to all of it.

SharonasCorona · 01/11/2020 18:37

Let's be very clear. There are 13 countries where I, as an atheist, face the death penalty. I have every reason to want the fascist political ideology of Islam neutered.

Is that why thousands of non-Muslims or Atheists live in Malaysia, Pakistan, Qatar. Saudi Arabia, UAE then? And why millions go to Maldives on hols? Those are some of the 13 countries and I doubt they know you let alone want to kill you.

Stripesnomore · 01/11/2020 18:41

The French government is secular. There’s no reason for it to criticise the mocking of any religious figure.

SharonasCorona · 01/11/2020 18:44

It’s happy to criticise Muslims boycotting French products though.

Stripesnomore · 01/11/2020 18:52

‘It’s happy to criticise Muslims boycotting French products though.’

Why wouldn’t it do this? It is the government of France!

blueangel19 · 01/11/2020 18:53

all MrFish323 I would not visited those countries for various reasons. One for example is for the way they threat women but now we are having those problems of the non believers killings very close to home. Hate me all you want but lifting a veil or getting spitted on it is awful and despicable but getting killed in horrifying ways is terrifying and absurd and backwards.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 01/11/2020 19:02

[quote SharonasCorona]@blueangel19

The thing is the cartoons are not the only problem. It seems that most things that are normal for Westerns can potentially offend. I do not get that if French people are racists or Islamophobic why there are so many people of this faith living there or wanting to live there over other places? Why has this got to this point? What can be expect going forward? It is all very nice to call everybody that ask questions Islamophobic but these are real concerns for many people.

Can you give some examples? It seems to be France stopping Muslims living their lives in their faith (not allowed to wear hijab in schools/workplace, on the beach?[/quote]
Examples of things that might be considered normal, perfectly fine or merely frowned upon that would be punishable by death in Sharia Law and in some Muslim countries include:

Adultery
Sex outside of marriage
Homosexuality
Apostasy
Heresy
Blasphemy
Attempting to leave an abusive marriage

Being the victim of rape... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/StoningoffAishaIbrahimmDuhulow

SharonasCorona · 01/11/2020 19:06

@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Examples of things that might be considered normal, perfectly fine or merely frowned upon that would be punishable by death in Sharia Law and in some Muslim countries include:

“Adultery
Sex outside of marriage
Homosexuality
Apostasy
Heresy
Blasphemy
Attempting to leave an abusive marriage”

But Muslims don’t have Shariah Law in France, they comply with French law.

Why are you posting a link of something that happened in Somalia?

SharonasCorona · 01/11/2020 19:07

Why wouldn’t it do this? It is the government of France!

Let people have their right to boycott I say.

Stripesnomore · 01/11/2020 19:23

They do have the right to boycott.

SharonasCorona · 01/11/2020 19:28

So let them get on with it. Macron wants his macaroon and to eat it too.

Stripesnomore · 01/11/2020 19:46

The French government isn’t calling for the right to boycott to be removed.

They are criticising boycott of French products because as the French government it is their job to defend French economic interests, within the limits of international law.

It isn’t their job to criticise the mocking of religious figures.

Jsnn · 01/11/2020 19:48

[quote WelcomeToManderley]@BuggerBognor

But “France” could have criticised (not banned) the publishing of such images, as a message of solidarity to the Muslim community. To do otherwise read as despite everything, they can still continue to mock and demean Muslims as they did back then. Lessons should have been learned.

I understand that they mock everyone but it’s just incredibly poor form to mock Muslims openly and without condemnation given the country’s past.[/quote]
Freedom of expression in a secular country. France mocks all religions. If anything they have mocked islam with a softer touch then other religions but still it's only radical islam that is getting offended enough to commit terrorist attacks.
It anything they should step it up and offend them even more. The more terrorist attacks that happen the more mocking needs to happen.

WelcomeToManderley · 01/11/2020 19:54

@blueangel19

Do you realise that people from the countries you probably consider ‘safe’ are also guilty of torturing and killing millions of innocent men, women and children around the world in horrifying ways?

I suggest you never visit France if you hold women’s rights highly:

“The rape of Algerian women by French soldiers was used to demoralise Algerian men, whom they considered to be sources of ‘honour’.”

www.trtworld.com/magazine/the-role-of-women-in-the-algerian-independence-movement-37868/amp

You might want to consider leaving the UK too:

“Since being set up by the Ministry of Defence in 2010, Ihat has completed just four investigations into allegations of unlawful death and four into allegations of mistreatment. At this rate, it would take 47 and a half years for investigations to be completed into 53 further allegations of unlawful deaths and 95 of mistreatment.“

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/no-justice-in-sight-for-iraqi-victims-of-alleged-murder-rape-and-torture-9849305.html%3famp

It’s all very backwards and absurd.

Cam2020 · 01/11/2020 20:07

So, are women who burn their husband's dinner 'asking for it' when victims of domestic abuse get hit? What about women who get raped if they happen to be wearing a shirt skirt?

These sort of views are frightening.

StoneofDestiny · 01/11/2020 20:09

Attacking and killing people for drawing cartoons of the prophet Mohammad is not showing respect for him. It's barbaric, judgemental murder. Hardly showing respect for the prophets teaching.

If you choose to live in a secular country, respect the rules.
I'd not live in a Muslim dominated country because I couldn't respect the rules of dress, the sexism or the control of my behaviour according to their beliefs. I'd not live there and think it was my right to kill people because I objected to it.

Enough people on mumsnet call the story of Jesus 'a fairytale'. I'm sure nobody expects to be beheaded because they said it.

AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken · 01/11/2020 20:09

[quote SharonasCorona]@AllTheUsernamesAreAlreadyTaken

Examples of things that might be considered normal, perfectly fine or merely frowned upon that would be punishable by death in Sharia Law and in some Muslim countries include:

“Adultery
Sex outside of marriage
Homosexuality
Apostasy
Heresy
Blasphemy
Attempting to leave an abusive marriage”

But Muslims don’t have Shariah Law in France, they comply with French law.

Why are you posting a link of something that happened in Somalia?[/quote]
Blue angel stated It seems that most things that are normal for Westerns can potentially offend

And you asked for examples.

These are things that could potentially offend to the point of warranting death by Islamic fanatics.

blueangel19 · 01/11/2020 20:30

all WelcomeToManderley I only know that there are quite a few places I used to visit and were fine and amazing and now is a concern for me to go and visit or to live anymore and this can potentially get worse. Specially is people carry on defending the indefensibly. If we put examples of colonialism many countries suffered all over the world but most move on. You can go on and in to justify it but there is not point.

Also, I dislike when there are victims in these killings people go and jump to defend the Muslims. WTF what are the victims family. What about what they think.

I really do not have anything else to add to this threat more than I despair for the future of Europe. If that makes an Islamophobic do not be afraid to call me that but I will always make sure I am leaving a better place for future generations so I won’t be silent.

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