Terror attacks

[Clappingforjoy]

So aibu to think that anybody that draws cartoons of the prophet is asking for trouble and to wonder why the hell they do it and risk been attacked in the most barbaric way why oh why risk it.

Jewish people are already bearing the "brunt"

@Stripesnomore

‘This doesn’t answer my question. How is showing naked drawings of Prophet Mohammed on a par with evolution and sex education?‘

Because all three are considered highly offensive to some religious people. Some forms of contraception involve killing people in the eyes of some Catholics.

This makes no sense. The truth is you can’t explain it.

@howsers

Jewish people are already bearing the "brunt"

Are you denying that ordinary Muslims are targeted after an attack or terrorism by a Muslim?

Corona, I am not twisting what you said.

The current situation is that the people who have been attacked were the murdered Catholics.

You literally just said that didn’t matter because it will be Muslims who will bear the brunt in the future.

You cannot know that. You don’t know that there aren’t going to be copycat attacks on other Catholic Churches.

A priest was shot in a church in Lyon today. We don’t know why yet.

You cannot possibly know that the consequences of this attack are that French Muslims will be killed not French Jews or French Catholics.

Are you denying that ordinary Jewish people are targeted in attacks?

Everyone is bearing the brunt!
Do you think that the killers stop to ask enough questions to know who they're punishing?!
If my Muslims friends were killed in a retaliation attack then I, as an Catholic-heritage agnostic, would be devastated. If one of my Jewish friends were killed in an Islamic terrorist attack, I would be devastated. If my black brother in law were killed in a racist attack, I would be devastated. I am not Muslim or Jewish or black but attacks on those demographics would devastate me!
It is not a competition of who is the most victimised by circumstance or other groups. Individual human beings were killed and attacked and hurt and are dealing with the loss of their loved ones - if it matters to you whether those people were Muslim or Jewish or Christian or black or white or lawyers or teachers or old or like football or rugby - you're a BAD person.

@BurningMam

You are BEYOND ignorant.

1. The student was arrested because he participated in the killing plot - not the students who pointed the teacher out. The student who was involved in the killing plot.
2. They're on par because they are all taught in school and offend people's religious beliefs.
3. That right was upheld when they were given the opportunity to leave the room and not participate in that portion of the lesson.
4. I haven't twisted anything - you just have no basis for your beliefs without lying.

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Where is your source that a student was arrested for participating? I’ve already said that the 2 students should not have identified Paty to his killer.

Since when are naked drawings on Prophet Mohammed on a French school curriculum on human rights?

Telling Muslim students they can leave the room others them and singles them out.

Actually you’ll find you’re the one who’s lying.

@BurningMam

Everyone is bearing the brunt! Do you think that the killers stop to ask enough questions to know who they're punishing?! If my Muslims friends were killed in a retaliation attack then I, as an Catholic-heritage agnostic, would be devastated. If one of my Jewish friends were killed in an Islamic terrorist attack, I would be devastated. If my black brother in law were killed in a racist attack, I would be devastated. I am not Muslim or Jewish or black but attacks on those demographics would devastate me! It is not a competition of who is the most victimised by circumstance or other groups. Individual human beings were killed and attacked and hurt and are dealing with the loss of their loved ones - if it matters to you whether those people were Muslim or Jewish or Christian or black or white or lawyers or teachers or old or like football or rugby - you're a BAD person.

Could not have said it better myself. I think what the poster meant before is that Muslims will bear the brunt in terms of the outrage against them is greater i.e. when far right white individuals kill innocent people we do not expect white people to apologise. But when terrorist attacks happen we expect Muslims to apologize and speak out. It really is a double standard.

Corona, unless you say what element doesn’t make sense I cannot explain it to your satisfaction.

Schools teach teens controversies as part of the curriculum. That includes looking at controversial material.

Many pro life Catholics will find discussion of IVF, the coil and abortion offensive, but schools teach controversial subjects, often for the purpose of debating controversies.

You're right @BurningMam & I believe that the police officer killed in the CH attack was muslim.

I just don't understand how justifications can be made for any of the attacks. If you go down that road where do you end, war?

@Stripesnomore

You literally just said that didn’t matter because it will be Muslims who will bear the brunt in the future.

No I didn’t and you can’t quote it because I didn’t say it. I said ‘Muslims are subject to many more racist attacks than Catholics in France.‘ You said ‘Not in relation to this incident.’ I said ‘It doesn’t matter. Muslims will bear the brunt, as the minority.’ Because why would Catholics face racist attacks following the murder of Catholic people by a Muslim man?!

Catholic people will not face racist attacks after this incident, Muslims will bear brunt, in the form of revenge attacks.

Trying to twist that into me saying the murders don’t matter is a cheap shot, don’t stoop that low please, most of the world is sickened by the attack.

Runfast, I don’t expect any innocent person to apologise, but in the context of murder, the murder victims and their families are the ones who bear the brunt.

‘Catholic people will not face racist attacks after this incident, Muslims will bear brunt, in the form of revenge attacks.‘

The incident in question is the killing of a teacher, read the OP. The people who have born the brunt of that incident were the Catholics who were then murdered as a consequence of the incident. So Catholics already have faced racist attacks as a consequence of this incident. Someone walked into a church and murdered them.

You do not know who might be murdered next.

@BurningMam

I'm not going to respond to you any further and strongly encourage others on this thread to ignore you.

I suggest that if you can’t back up your lies with sources then don’t post the lies.

You’re encouraging others not to respond to me. What a win for free speech.

I really don’t need to engage with you, you don’t need to respond to me.

Catholic people will not face racist attacks after this incident, Muslims will bear brunt, in the form of revenge attacks.

What?! How can you a) know that & b) they have already been targeted in a church.

@howsers

Jewish people are already bearing the "brunt"

Obviously anti-Semitic attacks happen and are awful, but you don’t see the whole religion and it’s followers being spoken about abhorrently due to the actions of despicable people e.g. Jeffrey Epstein.

A lot of people genuinely believe that Muslim = extremist views. They believe that Muslims condone the attacks because they want to dominate countries and this will help to achieve power. There were some posts on here earlier talking about before long there will be enforced hijab and banned dog walking as obviously Muslims are trying to curb free speech, take away rights and enforce their religious customs onto everyone else

Muslims are being attacked due to the actions of individuals, which I previously pointed out is exactly what happened to the Jews in history. If a Jewish individual murdered someone (e.g. the German diplomat) then there was collective blame and hate, the Jewish community were held accountable. What Muslims are currently going through is nothing new but lessons need to be learnt from the past, back then everyone thought their views held against Jews were justified and out of “concern” too.

‘Obviously anti-Semitic attacks happen and are awful, but you don’t see the whole religion and it’s followers being spoken about abhorrently due to the actions of despicable people e.g. Jeffrey Epstein.‘

Then why is Q-anon being condemned by the US senate? Why are there q-anon political candidates winning, and global q-anon demonstrations?

They literally believe in Jewish blood libel and the killing of children related to Epstein Island.

But this thread isn't about that, which is obviously wrong. Who on this thread is blaming all muslims?

If a catholic goes into a mosque & murders people in the name of revenge then it's wrong. There is no justification.

@howsers

Catholic people will not face racist attacks after this incident, Muslims will bear brunt, in the form of revenge attacks.

What?! How can you a) know that & b) they have already been targeted in a church.

Because after the 2015 attacks in France, Muslims faced a backlash. There is a documented rise in Islamophobic attacks after a murder / terrorist attack by a Muslim.

Of course the Catholics murdered in the church faced an attack, that is not being argued. As a pp said, there will be revenge attacks.

Not sure why people are focusing on this.

Sorry Howsers. It’s very difficult not to respond to all the constant attempts at derailment.

@howsers

But this thread isn't about that, which is obviously wrong. Who on this thread is blaming all muslims?

All I said was:

‘This is a tragedy for the murdered people and ordinary Muslim people who will bear the brunt of the fallout in terms of racist attacks.’

People have pounced on this and twisted into me saying the murders don’t matter.