Do you want another lockdown?

[RosieCrumpet]

YABU - I want a lockdown just like before
YANBU - I don't want to lockdown.
Comment - Any variation on the above.
I'm genuinely curious to see where the majority lie on this - some people will be terrified of losing their jobs and homeschooling again whereas others would love a few more months of WFH or furloughing and extra family time.

I don't want another lockdown, but I think it's probably necessary.

I'm in an area with an infection rate below the national average, but I check the interactive coronavirus map and it's been rising steadily. And the map is based on data from 5 or 6 days ago, so it's probably considerably worse now.

I just don't want to see more unnecessary deaths, hospitals struggling, nurses and doctors besieged and exhausted like we did in March. But just like in March, it should have been done a couple of weeks earlier imo.

Roll on that vaccine...

And even you look behind the headlines, icu levels fir this time are normal, hospital admissions for respiratory infections at this time are ‘normal’ the average Covid death age is what now? 83?86? There have been 17 under 40s in this ‘second wave. 17
People are blind to the economic meltdown this is going to create - far far worse, and on younger generations - than the virus

@skeptile

The numbers only need to go down if those numbers are translating into hospitalisations and deaths that are well above ordinary rates for this time of year. There's a bizarre notion extant that ICU occupancies are simply not to be tolerated. '8 out of 8 Covid beds occupied in a 500 bed hospital - capacity reached - shut down the country!' Fuck that. This myopic insanity is destroying the lives of millions.

Well said

No I don’t want one. We had a lockdown for 2 months and it didn’t work. Perhaps the money from furlough and track and trace should be put towards the nhs, there are already nightingale hospitals in all major cities, shield the vulnerable and let the rest of us get on with it.

No I don't.

It will be a mental health and economic disaster.

it was apparent that we weren't all in it together.

Of course we weren't and still aren't, all this in it together is just virtue signalling bullshit.

You can guarantee the "should I report my neighbours" threads will start up again.

I really don't want one, but if we need one then I think we should do it properly and close schools etc as well. I need schools and nurseries open, however I don't think there is any other way!

No, we are in an area with low infection rates so why should we have to lockdown again.

It's crazy, the amount of people that will lose their homes and jobs - it's ridiculous.

Chances are if they lockdown again, more people will die from suicide than covid.

I would rather take my chances with a virus that has a less than 1% death rate and in many causes, doesn't even cause people symptoms - than destroy the economy and millions of peoples lives!

YABU

lockdown with primary schools open and secondary schools with 2 weekly rotas

I am so cross as all this could be avoided if they’d done a mini lockdown before, not told everyone to go back to work and actually sort and ENFORCE track and trace

I also cannot see why young, healthy people should be locked away and made to suffer financially and mentally for something that will be most likely a mild illness for them.

I honestly don’t know. Current regulations aren’t working. If a lockdown now gave us half a chance of a normal Christmas I would accept it, but I’m frightened for those who might lose jobs right before Christmas as a result.

I’m very pregnant and I’m so worried my family won’t be able to meet the baby. I know that’s a very selfish, personal concern but it’s something I am really struggling with.

Wonder if people would support one if Rishi said that’s it, no financial support, no furlough, no paying if wages. Because that time will surely come as we cannot sustain this
Open the nightingales, treat Covid patients there, stop transmissions in care homes and hospitals which is actually where the problem is, pubs accounting for about 5%
Stop this madness

@YouKnowWhoo

I want a lockdown. I am anxious about the spread again. It feels like nobody is changing their behaviours, not minimising their meetings to the essential, all around me. Our area has a low level of infection but it’s only a matter of time now.

I’m a full time worker, from home. 2 young kids.

It’s basically this feeling I have that nobody gives a shit that is causing me to feel real fear again.

I agree.

I'm mystified by the sort of behaviour we saw in Nottingham the other night, where the reaction of many people to news of Tier 3 being implemented was to go out, get pissed and cram together in the streets with no thought of social distancing.

It's that sort of attitude that causes infection rates to rise, and I'll be intrigued to see how Notingham is faring in a couple of weeks, when any transmissions from the other night have had time to incubate.

If people won't act sensibly then more lockdowns are inevitable.

Disclaimer: nothing against Nottingham, and we've seen similar scenes in many other cities, it's just that that's the most recent one.

Yes

Definitely not, I have 2 businesses, one will likely do ok, the other likely close for good. I'm in the north east and despite high levels where I am is not massively affected and locals are being sensible, students in the city centre are a completely different story tho

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

I also cannot see why young, healthy people should be locked away and made to suffer financially and mentally for something that will be most likely a mild illness for them.

How do we know this though? We know nothing about this virus right now! Even the medical experts are still understanding it.

I agree re the economy 100% but without knowing enough about this it’s a finger in the hair situ!

No, I hate the thought of being locked down again, mainly because of the risk of so many losing their jobs, massive national debt and a recession. However I still think it's the right thing to do to save lives, there's no right answer.

However I still think it's the right thing to do to save lives, there's no right answer.

It's wrong to screw over millions of people, just to save thousands.

I would like there to be some decisions beyond a week or two.

Universities other than perhaps medical students being online only until Easter, and students able to study from the family home and not travel back after Christmas (their start in September is one cause of the increase as they travelled miles and have not all acted responsibly with social distancing).

Shops to remain open being based largely on size (let's not have the Welsh issue of whether or not tampons are essential items).

No exceptions to face covering (masks, scarves or face shields are all available).

Quarantine at airports and ports being stay in a hotel, taken there by taxi, and not returning to the family home until two negative Covid tests.

How do we know this though? We know nothing about this virus right now! Even the medical experts are still understanding it.

That’s not true.

Thousands of people tested have had it without even noticing

Do you want to lock down on the off chance that they might suddenly develop something, in a few years or so?

We also seem to know enough to be able to develop vaccines.

I loved this idea of open the Nightingales. Where are we going to magic these specialist medical staff from our chronically underfunded NHS?

Why does everyone gloss over how horrific a Covid death is - like you’re drowning with no loved ones near you. Everyone is conveniently forgetting this now they want to keep the country open.

They should have locked down 2 weeks ago with a circuit breaker like the scientists said. Instead we are in for a long haul lockdown which will kill our country.

Plus no deal Brexit...

I don’t want one - but I think if there is one - keeping schools fully open is nuts!

My plan for future lockdowns (as a mere school teacher):

I’d say 6th forms, collages and unis fully virtual (bar labs, practicals ect in uni that cannot be postponed which should be done in small bubbles)

Secondary closed to most pupils, virtual learning with on site access to vulnerable/key workers who need childcare. These use school site to access same online provision (or additional buildings eg libraries/church halls if required to maintain social distancing at all times). Staffed by support staff or teachers with reduced virtual teaching load (so when in school covering they are not expected to be teaching virtually though they could probably email ect). All staff who are vulnerable are wfh only.

Huge pot of money for schools to enable virtual learning successful!

Primaries to stay open initially. Bubbles of 1 class only. Government pay for cleaners to be there all day. Again all shielding staff to wfh (potentially virtually teaching classes in school or helping to teach any children out of school due to shielding/isolation).

If situation is deemed necessary - move to a half class approach at schools, where the class is split and gets half a week in class socially distanced from teacher (properly) and half a week accessing alternative provision (this could be external providers coming onto school site if space, within the local community I.e. church halls, leisure centres) sort of like a holiday club approach with educational basis.

Lockdown is just a desperate attempt to keep repeating what doesn’t work in the hope that it might -completely irrational.
Listen to Carl Heneghan who is Professor of Evidenced /based Medicibe at Oxford University -the clue is in the name. Similarly the scientist on the scandalously under-reported Barrington protocol.