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Do you want another lockdown?

380 replies

RosieCrumpet · 30/10/2020 23:33

YABU - I want a lockdown just like before
YANBU - I don't want to lockdown.
Comment - Any variation on the above.
I'm genuinely curious to see where the majority lie on this - some people will be terrified of losing their jobs and homeschooling again whereas others would love a few more months of WFH or furloughing and extra family time.

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LilacPebbles · 31/10/2020 00:19

I can't take another one. If this is the way life is now....it's inconceivable to me and I don't think I'll cope.

Audreyseyebrows · 31/10/2020 00:25

@RosieCrumpet

YABU - I want a lockdown just like before YANBU - I don't want to lockdown. Comment - Any variation on the above. I'm genuinely curious to see where the majority lie on this - some people will be terrified of losing their jobs and homeschooling again whereas others would love a few more months of WFH or furloughing and extra family time.
Neither terrified of losing my job and homeschooling nor loving the thought of WFH or furloughing and extra family time.

I work for the NHS. We don’t get these options. I don’t wfh, I don’t enjoy extra family time. It’s all hands on deck.
If it’s coming, it’s coming.

Leaannb · 31/10/2020 00:29

I want a full and complete lockdown. Mo pansy ass shit like before. The numbers are higher now than ever before in my area. Thats the only thing that will help

thegcatsmother · 31/10/2020 00:30

From the DT:

Covid cases are not spiralling out of control, says King's College

Figures contradict recent data from Imperial College, which showed nearly 100,000 new coronavirus infections a day in England
By Sarah Knapton, Science Editor 30 October 2020 • 5:01pm

Covid-19 rates are not surging, researchers at King's College have said after results from its symptom tracker app showed a far less deadly virus trajectory than Imperial College findings.

Earlier in the week, Imperial released interim data from its React-1 study which showed there are now nearly 100,000 new coronavirus cases a day in England, with nearly one million people infected. The Imperial team said rates were doubling every nine days and it was a critical time for lowering the 'R' rate.

However, King's College – which has been monitoring the symptoms and test results of millions of people through its app – said it was not seeing such alarming numbers. The app found 43,569 daily new symptomatic cases on average, and calculated that doubling was happening every 28 days.

Tim Spector, professor of genetic epidemiology at King's College, said: "While cases are still rising across the UK, we want to reassure people that cases have not spiralled out of control, as has been recently reported from other surveys. We are still seeing a steady rise nationally, doubling every four weeks – with the possible exception of Scotland, which may be showing signs of a slowdown.

"With a million people reporting weekly, we have the largest national survey and our estimates are in line with the Office for National Statistics (ONS) survey. We can't rely simply on confirmed cases or daily deaths without putting them into context. Hospital admissions are rising as expected, but deaths are still average for the season."

New figures released by the ONS also put the number of daily infections far lower than Imperial's figures.

The ONS estimates that 568,100 people are currently infected, with 51,900 new cases each day – equating to around one in 100 people, up from 1 in 130 people in the previous week.

Although the ONS figures show the virus is accelerating, increasing by just under 50 per cent in a week, the doubling time is still between 12 and 14 days, far less than Imperial's rate.

The latest nowcasting data from Cambridge University's MRC Biostatistics Unit estimates there are 55,600 new daily infections, while Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (Sage) believes the figures are between 50,000 and 63,000.

There is also widespread disagreement on the current 'R' rate, with Imperial suggesting it is around 1.6 for England but King's saying it is closer to 1.1. Sage also believes the 'R' rate is between 1.1 and 1.3. The figures, produced by the Scientific Pandemic Influenza Group on Modelling (SPI-M) group, are lower than last week when they stood at between 1.2 and 1.4.

A source close to the Government science team said the lower rates could mean that some of the new restrictions were having an impact. However, they said the virus was still growing at an alarming rate.

"The numbers are still headed in the wrong direction," the source said. "It still means everything is growing. It probably implies some of the measures are having an effect, but this is far from a shrinking epidemic."

Commenting on the disparities between the groups, Professor James Naismith, of the University of Oxford, said it was difficult to determine which group's figures were the most accurate.

"We can't simply average or say one is right," he said. "They are all well planned and carried out by experts. They all measure slightly different things and therefore have uncertainty.

"What is concerning is the numbers and trajectories reported by these three surveys differ significantly from the average of 18,000 detected by track and trace system. The data also help understand why track and tracing has not worked.

"Using the ONS data, we would estimate 330,000 new cases week ending 21 October. This means, assuming the contact number per person are right, which is a big assumption, one million people need to be contacted."

OliviaPopeRules · 31/10/2020 00:31

YANBU, numbers are relatively low where I live so I think it makes sense to keep things open where you can, for jobs, the economy and people's mental health.

monkeytennis97 · 31/10/2020 00:33

@LastGoldenDaysOfSummer

No one wants it but it has to happen. But a full one or it isn't worth bothering.

Essential shops only. No gyms or community halls. Schools and universities shut.

Pointless unless it's done properly.

This. I really don't want a full lockdown as I won't be able to see my disabled DC in their care home but I think it's needed and secondary schools need to at least go to blended learning if not full remote learning.
SheepandCow · 31/10/2020 00:34

@smokefire

Selfish answer- DP and I both work in Non-essential busineeses (according to the Govt anyway) which will probably close for good with a full lockdown. still recovering from reduced income , this will tip us over
I hope your businesses survive. I really do.

Saving jobs and the economy is exactly why we need a (proper, i.e. restricted borders) lockdown.

I'll repeat scientific expert Prof Sridhar's words of wisdom:

On a panel with several CEOs yesterday and their message was clear -> it's the virus impacting consumer behaviour & their businesses, not just restrictions. Already clear that controlling the virus with a clear strategy is best route to economic recovery.

And

Control your virus, solve your public health problem and then you get your economic recovery. If you try and do both, we will just see cycles of lockdown and release

And

sometimes feel like we've overcomplicated the basics of infectious disease prevention: the virus moves when people move.

YouKnowWhoo · 31/10/2020 00:35

I want a lockdown. I am anxious about the spread again. It feels like nobody is changing their behaviours, not minimising their meetings to the essential, all around me. Our area has a low level of infection but it’s only a matter of time now.

I’m a full time worker, from home. 2 young kids.

It’s basically this feeling I have that nobody gives a shit that is causing me to feel real fear again.

Quaagars · 31/10/2020 00:38

Not particularly, no but if it means an end to all these ridiculous tiers then yes.
We either lockdown properly or not at all.
Not only is half arsed lockdowns ineffective in my opinion, it's also divisive when you have people in tier 3 then a few miles down the road in tier 1.
Makes a load of shit and tension between families and friends in my experience, as they don't have your restrictions and think you're over-reacting Hmm
So yes, I think a full proper lockdown like nearer the start is better than what we have now.

Quaagars · 31/10/2020 00:38

Forgot to add at least we all knew where we stood with that

Quaagars · 31/10/2020 00:40

@YouKnowWhoo

I want a lockdown. I am anxious about the spread again. It feels like nobody is changing their behaviours, not minimising their meetings to the essential, all around me. Our area has a low level of infection but it’s only a matter of time now.

I’m a full time worker, from home. 2 young kids.

It’s basically this feeling I have that nobody gives a shit that is causing me to feel real fear again.

The thing to remember though, those that are going about our daily business sticking to the rules are the ones just quietly getting on with things. You don't hear our voices as loudly - doesn't mean we aren't being cautious, sticking to the guidelines where asked. Lots of people do give a shit
SheepandCow · 31/10/2020 00:41

It would be a pointless hardship if we had a lockdown but did not restrict our borders.

Lockdowns are harsh. They're horrible. Which is why it's so important to - this time round - actually do it properly. Contain the virus. That means borders restricted (with checks and proper quarantine where necessary for essential travel including freight) - and borders to stay restricted after lockdown eases.

Over to Prof Sridhar again:

Two approaches: either keeping borders largely open like the UK, but adopting harsh domestic restrictions to try to combat community transmission; or having very tight border controls, like Taiwan and New Zealand, but few restrictions on everyday life.

And

Europe paying for summer holidays with winter lockdowns.

lljkk · 31/10/2020 00:43

I don't want tighter controls. But I can't figure out a better way to stop the NHS from sliding into paralysis, either.

I wish we could stop all the exhausting & expensive measures to 'stop the virus spread' and instead threw all the resources at shielding the very high risk people - ... but apparently that is utterly totally impossible. Pffft.

FedUpOfAllThis · 31/10/2020 00:44

Absolutely no way.

MercyBooth · 31/10/2020 00:44

Havent been abroad since 1986 Really warms the cockles of my heart to know im paying the price for those who can afford to..........according to him.

Hardbackwriter · 31/10/2020 00:47

I don't want it at all, but reluctantly accept it as inevitable.

I do wish that people would stop pretending that it's possible for us (or most of Europe) to decide now to do what New Zealand/Taiwan/South Korea etc did - we absolutely should compare our approaches to them but so that we're better prepared and make better choices in the next pandemic (and there will be a next one), not as models for now. They're models of how to react in the early stages, not how to deal with an endemic virus. The boat has well and truly sailed on those options.

DeeCeeCherry · 31/10/2020 00:47

No, I don't. I'm worried about effects on people's emotional and financial well-being. Worried about small businesses too. It won't be a proper lockdown so it will make no difference. Borders are still open, I very much doubt schools will close, so what's the point of another faux-lockdown? Government didn't do it properly in the 1st place so, here we are. Seems to me lockdown is aimed at hospitality and leisure services only which is so wrong. I imagine people who want another faux-lockdown are those who look forward to staying home on full pay, those who don't go out much anyway, have a garden, 2 parent families comfortable life and salary. So it's a case of who cares about anyone else

SheepandCow · 31/10/2020 00:49

@MercyBooth
Professor Sridhar is female. It's not her fault our government didn't listen to scientific advice. She wrote an article (NY Times) warning about the consequence of summer holidays.

You are actually proof that we can survive one year without a holiday abroad.

If only we could turn the clock back. Instead of spending billions on an incompetent test, track, and trace system, furlough, and EOTHO, we could have instead given the airline and travel industry a financial support package. Unfortunately we can't turn the clocks back. I really wanted wish we could. I expect we all do!

PhilCornwall1 · 31/10/2020 00:50

No I bloody don't. The country is economically fucked as it is, this is just going to make it far worse. It's ridiculous.

Louiselouie0890 · 31/10/2020 00:50

I don't really understand comments that it won't make a difference. Lockdown isn't to eradicate the virus I doubt anything but a cure will do that. It's to control the virus and try and stop it getting out of control and too many people surging into hospital that hospitals have to start turning people away and it becomes survival of the fittest. So I just don't really understand these comments.

I think we need to learn to live with but I do think we have to do what needs to be done so no one is turned away from hospital

Bargebill19 · 31/10/2020 00:51

It seems inevitable. I am not sure it will do much, around here everyone seems to have turned their clocks back to 2019 ... so I don’t know how much difference it will make.

PerpendicularVincent · 31/10/2020 00:51

I don't want a lockdown, but we need one - not so I can wfh/spend more time with family etc, but to slow the spread of the virus.

The last lockdown was eased too early, and so many people ignore the (admittedly changeable) rules. It pisses me off that so many people ignore social distancing then moan about lockdown.

The whole thing is just shit, I haven't seen my dad for months and I wish people would obey the rules and that the virus would fuck off.

SunShinesStill · 31/10/2020 00:52

I don’t want one, but we need one so it has to happen. Pointless though if the schools are staying open along with the Universities.

MercyBooth · 31/10/2020 00:53

@SheepandCow I have relatives abroad in Italy. Sorry i did not realise she was female,

There is a lot of resentment building among those living on estates People are fed up with being scapegoated and having to make sacrifices.

BluebellsGreenbells · 31/10/2020 00:55

It's not her fault our government didn't listen to scientific advice. She wrote an article (NY Times) warning about the consequence of summer holidays

You don’t need to be a scientist to realize the summer holidays were a huge issue for COVID spread. It’s was a stupid move by stupid people traveling coz why shouldn’t they?