I'm sick of people from Northern England who voted tory complaining on the news

[ssd]

Suck it up. You voted for them. No one made you.

Everyone is entitled to have a moan, but seriously, WHY WHY WHY did you ever vote tory thinking they'd got your back?!?!

@Alexandernevermind

It's called a democracy. We as the people voted for them so they are accountable to us. By causing a fuss we can change policy. I hate the "you voted so you don't get to complain" attitude.

Really? Because my memory of this is "if you DON'T vote then you can't complain". Please get it right. We've been sold a pup and it's going to get worse. PS we can't change policy, I love your optimism but fear it's a non starter. Happy brexshit everyone, hope the leavers get everything they fucking wished for. You won, get over it. Good luck everyone else.

I voted labour, more out of loyalty than out of any love for Corbyn. As rubbish as Bojo is, I dont think he would have been any better. During the vote, we were stuck between a rock and a hard place in terms of the two party leaders.

Failed to attend a lot of Cobra meetings about the virus.
30 days annual leave/holiday from January to March.
Locked down too late.
Let the Cheltenham racing and the Liverpool/Madrid match go ahead, with huge crowds.
'World Class' track and trace
Quarantine rules for people coming back from holidays.
Worse death rate from Covid in Europe.
The A level result fiasco

I don't think these thing would have happened under a Labour government regardless of who the leader was. A government is so much more than the leader when this sort of thing happens.

I am in the North and have never voted tory, not all the North voted for them, perhaps the people complaining are not fucking tory voters.

@Chloemol

I am sick of the leftist Tory bashing shit that appears on this site in a regular basis

Like Labour are any good, Kier swings about in the wind just like Jeremy did

Never mind I look forward to the forming of the MN party, for the next election, then you can all get in as MPs , form a Government and run the country as you think fit, as many of you all believe you know what’s best

I continually despair of labour but still think that tories are arseholes.

@Elsiebear90

I agree with you OP, I don’t understand why working class people though this government would ever look out for them.

Erm....we’re not all working class, or Tory voters for that matter, so you know exactly where you can shove your ridiculous stereotypes and prejudice.

As for why traditional labour strongholds might have voted Tory, you can’t work that one out? Thousands of working class and lower middle class people who have seen years and years of political correctness, under-investment in the region, the demise of British industry etc etc etc mean that who they are and what they stand for has been ignored and overlooked for too many years. Then Cameron gives them a vote on Europe and bang, they suddenly have a real say that they want to see through to the end.

The mistake any Government makes is assuming we are some kind of unified country. We’re not. The north-south divide is very real and the gap is increasing. I spent many, many years in London and the south-east because that was where the opportunity was. And I have a degree, Masters and professional qualifications. Imagine what it has been like up here for several generations now. It’s shit. There is so, so little for the ordinary person trying to build a future. What used to be proud working class in council housing are now called benefit scroungers because minimum wage isn’t enough to support even a small household. Stop treating the north like some kind of barren wasteland and see what people here need - a real shot at a good future, perhaps?

@R1R2

Because labour had done so fucking much for them the past 20-30+ years they had held those seats

They've a darn sight more to help than the tories.most of them voted Tory to get Brexit, bloody fools

Is that true generally, if someone votes for a party they can't complain about what they do? I guess any party in power should mean a lot of very quiet people.

The real issue is that if you think the Conservatives are really that bad, the onus is on Labour to explain what they could possibly have done, or not done, to convince lifelong Labour voters to vote Conservative.

@Miljea

I read the OP and, like many, thought 'this won't go well' 😂-

But, I understand the sentiment.

I cannot fathom why any traditional Labour voter in a Thatcher decimated, chronically under-invested, poorly educated, austerity riven north of England town would imagine in their wildest dreams that any Tory would have their interests at heart.

How much history do you need?

Surely the question you should be asking then is how could Labour have failed such families to the extent that they still believed their best interests were served by voting Conservative. The arrogance of some posts here seems to me to exemplify how the Conservatives secured votes. There is an assumption that ‘working class northern ‘ voters don’t actually need to be persuaded to vote Labour and that their votes are ‘in the bag’ whilst Labour competes for the votes of the metropolitan elite and ‘educated classes’

I am in West Yorkshire. A very deprived part, a Labour stronghold.People voted Tory not because they suddenly changed sides. It was to keep Jeremy Corbyn out.

@MelodramPatheticism

They voted tory because they were that scared of Corbyn being the next pm. I blame Corbyn for this mess. He should have resigned long before the election and given Labour a proper chance.

^ this. But sadly Corbyn although having some great policies was too easy a target for the right wing press. So even though he thought he was doing the best thing for the country by staying he should’ve stepped aside. In fact he should’ve called for a vote of no confidence before the general election was called, and attempted to form a government of national unity. It was so obvious at the time that that was the way to go, he was a twat for playing into Johnson's hands by agreeing to a GE.

Enough now stop

I hadn’t seen your post before I replied but you said everything I wanted to say but so much more eloquently !

most of them voted Tory to get Brexit

Pretty much down to this. Jingoism pure and simple.

Cummings knew exactly what he was doing in the last election campaign and they fell for it hook line and sinker in order to get it done at great cost to themselves, their family and the country.

I'm not saying there aren't good Tory MPs and that there aren't bad Labour MP's but generally in my experience Labour MPs get into politics for public service and because they really do care. Do people up really think the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg, Grant Shapps (Sebastian Fox/Michael Green), Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, etc get into politics to represent working people? There's a book called 'Britainnia Unchained' that they all put their signatures to back in 2010/11 - it's very enlightening... basically they hate us, want to privatise everything and think working rights should be scrapped.

Even though Corbyn has been completely useless (often worse than) on many things, I actually don't think he would have been worse than Boris Johnson has been. I don't think it's possible for a kick off.

@ssd

And to make it clearer, I don't mean loyal tory voters, you are beyond help, I mean traditional Labour voters who thought Boris was their man.

More a case of thinking Corbyn wasn't their man. Who in their right mind would have wanted him running the country? Anyone or anything else would have been better, besides the Blair creature, and as much as I hate him, even he couldn't have been worse.

This Tory government managed to get rid of pretty much all the good Tory MPs they had and replaced them with a parade of venal idiots. They are also highly inexperienced. Hence the disgusting things they've said about the holiday lunches amongst other things.

You've just written everything I was coming on to say @Staffy1

People most likely voted against Labour, rather than voting for the Conservatives.

@SheepandCow

You've just written everything I was coming on to say *@Staffy1*

People most likely voted against Labour, rather than voting for the Conservatives.

But actually that's not possible. Whatever people might want to comfort themselves with thinking.

And we have almost a whole generation of voters, now, who never experienced thatcher in their politically aware lifetimes. I'm early 50's and had one general election for her.

I doubt it was of any comfort (except for Jewish people - who do matter).

For some the choice was between shit and shitter. That's damning for Labour as much as the others.

@sally067

most of them voted Tory to get Brexit

Pretty much down to this. Jingoism pure and simple.

Cummings knew exactly what he was doing in the last election campaign and they fell for it hook line and sinker in order to get it done at great cost to themselves, their family and the country.

I'm not saying there aren't good Tory MPs and that there aren't bad Labour MP's but generally in my experience Labour MPs get into politics for public service and because they really do care. Do people up really think the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg, Grant Shapps (Sebastian Fox/Michael Green), Priti Patel, Dominic Raab, etc get into politics to represent working people? There's a book called 'Britainnia Unchained' that they all put their signatures to back in 2010/11 - it's very enlightening... basically they hate us, want to privatise everything and think working rights should be scrapped.

So how are people from ‘Northern England’ more gullible or blameworthy than every constituency in the ‘South’ who voted Conservative or are Northern constituencies just meant to blindly support Labour( and for what it is worth I have never voted Conservative in my life) No suggestion that people in other areas should ‘suck it up’ just Northerners and then people wonder why this country is so divided.

People voted Tory not because they suddenly changed sides. It was to keep Jeremy Corbyn out.

Absolute insanity, did they think that he was going to surrender the country to the IRA and turn the UK is a communist state? I'm no fan of Corbyn but you can't say he doesn't believe in social justice or wealth redistribution.

How did they think that a party that's entire ideology is around trickle down economics and privatisation would benefit them. Let alone a Prime Minister that is clearly a narcissist, lier and lazy.

We also live in a parliamentary democracy with a civil service and a lot of devolved power, a Prime Minister isn't some sort of supreme leader.

“Did Labour in their decade plus of power stop it?”

Tbf New Labour and Corbyn Labour probably wouldn’t have had much in common.

@Miljea

I read the OP and, like many, thought 'this won't go well' 😂-

But, I understand the sentiment.

I cannot fathom why any traditional Labour voter in a Thatcher decimated, chronically under-invested, poorly educated, austerity riven north of England town would imagine in their wildest dreams that any Tory would have their interests at heart.

How much history do you need?

This with bells on.

@ssd

Suck it up. You voted for them. No one made you.

Everyone is entitled to have a moan, but seriously, WHY WHY WHY did you ever vote tory thinking they'd got your back?!?!

Nope not me. But then again I'm not complaining so the news wouldn't be interested in me

And just asking - since when have a couple of 'random' people who happened to be passing, who were happy to be interviewed on the news, who 'say' they voted Tory, represent the people of Manchester?

So how are people from ‘Northern England’ more gullible or blameworthy than every constituency in the ‘South’ who voted Conservative or are Northern constituencies just meant to blindly support Labour( and for what it is worth I have never voted Conservative in my life)
No suggestion that people in other areas should ‘suck it up’ just Northerners and then people wonder why this country is so divided.

I wasn't talking about northerners in my post, just people in general.

The whole of Essex is currently held by Tory MP's. I think a fair bunch of people living there also voted against their own self interest and for nationalistic reasons.