That's a first. Accused of transphobia. WIBU? Screenshots.

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A group on facebook that I'm in.

Have never been accused of transphobia before and like to think I'm a tolerant and inclusive person. Quite socked and wondering if I am in the wrong here?

Clearly, I'm now close from being banned from the group. Just for context, it's a writing group.

At a very basic level, you can’t protect or create equality for women if you can’t recognise sex differences

Absolutely this

I got booted out of a group for saying I understood why many women were concerned about transpeople in sport. Absolute pile on followed by being unfriended by someone for being a 'terf bigot'. Fair dos.

@Nocaloriesinchocolate

Ok I accept the word choose was er ... badly chosen. Sorry. Can I rephrase to say something like identify as instead?

No problem!

I understand the sentiment, and I mostly agree with it. I've just always been twitchy on gender and gender stereotypes, even as a child.

If he's a writer just say "Thank you Abigail Williams, I'm sure the truth will come out one day. Thank you for exposing me as not subscribing to your flawed religion."

The whole thing is laughable. I’ve thought about posting more that that sentence but there’s no point as it’s already been pointed out.

I use find them whole thing mind blowing!! Just makes go

just find the whole thing

By engage do you mean agree? 😂 Look, it's simple. I'm not trans, nobody close to me is trans, and I'm not an expert. I assume the same is true for most if not all of you? Perhaps it's not smart or sensible to hold such strong opinions on something you're not qualified to talk about. 🙂

Perhaps it's not smart or sensible to hold such strong opinions on something you're not qualified to talk about. 🙂

Rather like males talking about what it's like to be a woman?

If this was truly about progress and acceptance, then the campaign would be about accepting people as the sex they are, no matter how they choose to present. I still hear the word 'girl' used as an insult aimed at boys - run/throw/cry like a girl aren't said nicely.

And yet now it's just fine to say that a male who doesn't conform to the bullshit standards of masculinity is actually a woman and this is not seen as sexist or homophobic at all.

Why aren't men expected to grow the fuck up and accept that males with gender dysphoria and other gender non-conforming males are just as much men as they are?

Whose feelings are we actually protecting here? Trans people, or the men who can't accept them?

@Perfect28

I'm not fighting anyone on this debate. My point is why does it have to be a fight?

I completely agree. Why are trans activists creating a fight? We all have human rights. They just need to stop insisting that women’s rights be applied to trans women rather than to trans men.

Let them know for us, will you?

I completely agree with you that no fight is needed. Women didn’t start any fight. Women were perfectly happy including trans people, using preferred pronouns yadda yadda yadda. It’s the TRAs who decided to start arguing that trans women should be legally entitled to women’s sex based rights rather than the human rights and gender reassignment rights they already have.

Takes two sides to have a fight - the TRAs should cut it out so everyone can live in harmony.

Thanks for your intervention! Glad you’re able to fix that for us!

@Perfect28

By engage do you mean agree? 😂 Look, it's simple. I'm not trans, nobody close to me is trans, and I'm not an expert. I assume the same is true for most if not all of you? Perhaps it's not smart or sensible to hold such strong opinions on something you're not qualified to talk about. 🙂

I have 47 years' first hand experience of the restrictions, limitations and dangers our society imposes on the female-bodied. That qualifies me to speak about things that impact the female-bodied.

@Perfect28

By engage do you mean agree? 😂 Look, it's simple. I'm not trans, nobody close to me is trans, and I'm not an expert. I assume the same is true for most if not all of you? Perhaps it's not smart or sensible to hold such strong opinions on something you're not qualified to talk about. 🙂

Patronising. The medical and psychology professions are not infallible. In the US in particular there's a strong financial incentive to get people in for treatment and keep them dependent for as long as possible. Psychiatry in particular is a field where perfectly normal human behaviour and personality traits have been treated as signs of mental illness in the past. Once diagnosed, 'sufferers' have been locked up and/or subjected to barbaric treatments with minimal evidence for their efficacy. I have little doubt the practice of unquestioning affirmation of gender identity in young people and children, leading to irreversible physical changes and health problems, will have people looking back in horror in the very near future. There will be lawsuits.

By engage do you mean agree

No, i dont reckon thats what MOST people mean (there is always one and they usually post straight after ive said it never happens)

Perhaps it's not smart or sensible to hold such strong opinions on something you're not qualified to talk about.

Yes, perhaps you need to do a bit more research.

@AllPlayedOut

Perhaps it's not smart or sensible to hold such strong opinions on something you're not qualified to talk about. 🙂

Rather like males talking about what it's like to be a woman?

God we need a like button

No one expects you to agree.

Just to have a coherent argument. A bit more than some males aren't safe in prison so we should put them in with the women even if the women get raped as a result

Heres some info fir you
48 percent males who identify as trans in prison are sex offenders as opposed to 19 percent of the other males. Now given no one can possibly know if they are chancing it for an easier ride or not staff are not allowed to voice these concerns.. So how do you deal with the 1 in 2 chance that the offender you move to a womens prison is a sexual predator ?

@bluebluezoo no. Because the person who had the uterus removed was a WOMAN! Not a man!

That wasn’t the question. The question was a person gestating a child without having a womb at that time. Therefore it is fActually incorrect to say a womb is required to gestate a foetus.

From the reading I did years ago it is not possible to gestate a foetus in a male, as there aren’t the hormones to maintain the pregnancy.

*I will PayPal you £1000 if you can link me to an article about a person who has gestated a child without that person having a womb at the time.

Plus another £1000 if you can explain why it is factually incorrect to say a womb is required to gestate a foetus*

Look, it's simple. I'm not trans, nobody close to me is trans, and I'm not an expert. I assume the same is true for most if not all of you? Perhaps it's not smart or sensible to hold such strong opinions on something you're not qualified to talk about

Besides the ridiculous virtue signalling in my workplace, there are 3 families I know whose teenage girls with various mental health issues have suddenly developed ROGD. It's obvious that 2 are simply gay, and bullying has been an issue because they don't conform. These kids are being fed complete bullshit and being sold the notion that 'trans' is a cure all for normal teen problems and 'affimed' by school/camhs etc. NO ONE is telling them the truth. They cannot opt out of their birth sex. Ever.

I can see the damage it's doing to girls and women. Women attacked on social media and hounded out of their jobs for simply speaking the truth.
We are told we must accept other's 'identies' but not allowed to have our own. We must be called words chosen by them.

You might as well have said
"it doesn't affect me personally so I can just make empty comments and virtue signal and call you all bigots even though I have done no actual research on the subject."

Good job there are plenty of women out there who do care about others of their own sex class enough to see what is actually going on instead of remaining willfullly ignorant.

I'm liking the numbers on the vote though (although still mildly concerned about the 65 or so people on a PARENTING site who seem confused about which sex gestates babies)

next time someone pops over to FWR to tell us we're big meanies and in the minority regarding women's rights to self organise and have single sex spaces and we're total debbie downers to literally everyone else on the site who want to live under a big mixed sex rainbow, I'll have a little think about the vote at the top of this thread and think 'nah, probably not'.

They’ve missed your point. You didn’t say everyone with a womb is female!!! They just have an axe to grind and no matter what you said they would have come back with same rehearsed retort.

Being 47 does not qualify you as an expert sorry!

Well said @Whatsnewpussyhat

@Perfect28

Being 47 does not qualify you as an expert sorry!

Why not? 47 years in any profession would make someone fairly expert at it. What is required to be an expert, in your view?

@Perfect28

Being 47 does not qualify you as an expert sorry!

You said "I'm not trans, nobody close to me is trans, and I'm not an expert. I assume the same is true for most if not all of you? Perhaps it's not smart or sensible to hold such strong opinions on something you're not qualified to talk about." You didn't mention expertise, just experience. Which I have.

And yes, I do know trans people.