That's a first. Accused of transphobia. WIBU? Screenshots.

[DelvingintoInsanity]

A group on facebook that I'm in.

Have never been accused of transphobia before and like to think I'm a tolerant and inclusive person. Quite socked and wondering if I am in the wrong here?

Clearly, I'm now close from being banned from the group. Just for context, it's a writing group.

@fairynick

I don’t get why you felt the need to comment. Gay trans men can have children, so why did you feel the need to reply? Also the gay trans man may have been born intersex, neither female nor male, so you are also incorrect.

Well gay trans men are born biologically female. So their sexual attraction has nothing to do with their being trans. Their sexual attraction is in spite of their gender orientation, surely?

Because A WOMAN who has had a hysterectomy HAD a WOMB TO REMOVE !!

Love how you agree that words matter when it benefits you but are happy to trash others. Very revealing.

Didnt there used to be a better class of debate?

I just feel like we are getting the dregs of debate now

No workmanship

@Perfect28

We weren't created, we evolved.

Well yes, no one is saying otherwise.

Babies are created though when a sperm and an egg meet. That is where the word creation is being used here. Each individual baby doesn’t evolve.
Don’t go making out that the posters on here are all fundamentalist Christians who are claiming that a higher being has made us all.

@CandyLeBonBon are you suggesting that a gay trans man should call themselves straight? (As they were born female and are attracted to men?)

obgyn.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1471-0528.1980.tb04557.x

Just tried to read this and can't access it. So how, physiologically is this possible? To gestate a fetus outside the uterus to 36 weeks?

Can someone summarise the contents of this?

[quote CatsAndEyeliner]@CandyLeBonBon are you suggesting that a gay trans man should call themselves straight? (As they were born female and are attracted to men?)[/quote]
No. I'm saying that the twisting of words renders the definition incomprehensible

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

Didnt there used to be a better class of debate?

I just feel like we are getting the dregs of debate now

No workmanship

No workpersonship tut

hang on, aren't ships female?
what's a gender-neutral watyrcraft, quick

[quote CatsAndEyeliner]@CandyLeBonBon are you suggesting that a gay trans man should call themselves straight? (As they were born female and are attracted to men?)[/quote]
Mainly because being gay, equates to same sex attraction. If you have socially transitioned, you may feel socially as if you are the opposite sex, but biologically you are not. Therefore it cannot, biologically, be same sex attraction.

It is possible to give someone who was born with a penis a vagina or create a penis for someone with a vagina.

No, it isn't.

It is only possible to perform plastic surgery to create the appearance of a penis or a vagina.

Are people with hysterectomy no long biological females?

Only a woman can have a hysterectomy, and she may require treatment for symptoms caused by the hysterectomy for the rest of her life.

Absence of a womb is a medical condition in somebody whose sex is female (however they identify). It is a normal state for a man.

Love how you agree that words matter when it benefits you but are happy to trash others. Very revealing

Oh please.
I know a bloke cannot be either a woman or a lesbian. That's not trashing, it's called "having a grasp on reality".

@CandyLeBonBon I understand what you’re saying. But what then should a trans man who is attracted to men call themselves?

@Perfect28

I've never once been called any of these things. Have you? Irl? Why do you get more of a right about what you're called than anyone else?

Eh? Who's asking for more of a right? We just want the right to be called fucking women, which is what we are.

Seems everyone else is allowed to identify as whatever the hell they want.... Except biological women of course

“Regardless of what your 9th grade bio class taught you”

The day schools teach anything other than only people born female can carry and birth a child, is the day my kids never set foot in one again.

I’m all for being who you want to be, but to deny human biology is just stupid.

Its not required to have surgery for a grc though.

So most will retain their original parts.

The complication rates for phalloplastys are high. If ever there was evidence its all about the money,....

But what then should a trans man who is attracted to men call themselves

Its called SEXuality not genderality.

That doesn’t really answer the question @Whatwouldscullydo

hang on, aren't ships female?
what's a gender-neutral watyrcraft, quick

Errrmmm those duck boat car things on the Thames????

No workwomanship

Enjoy being left behind in the old world, culture moves on and you are on the wrong side of history my friend

So culture can change these facts then...(excluding the pregnancy argument)

• only a biological male can develop prostate, testicular and penile cancer

-only a biological female can develop ovarian, endometrial and cervical cancer

• a biological male presenting with a heart attack is generally treated differently to a biological female because heart attacks can present differently in biological females. Ie not the text book symptoms
• a biological male cannot go through the menopause
• biological males have a higher risk of developing colorectal cancer than biological females
• biological females are more likely to develop breast cancer than biological males

I could go on.

This is a health worker ....!???! How worrying

@CandyLeBonBon I understand what you’re saying. But what then should a trans man who is attracted to men call themselves?

How about a straight woman, who doesn't fit the narrow female stereotypes that society imposes on us?
Might need a more catchy name though.......

Why should I be made to feel guilty for being a menstruating, biological woman?
I do not want to have to share my physical femininity, what makes me a woman, with a man. No, I'm sorry but this has gone way too far now.

[quote CatsAndEyeliner]@CandyLeBonBon I understand what you’re saying. But what then should a trans man who is attracted to men call themselves?[/quote]
Honestly I think the honest truth lies in understanding that you don't fit the societal version of male or remake (I don't). But understanding your sexual attraction is different to your outward (or gendered) representation.

I am not a feminine woman. Although I can get sometimes. For the most part, I feel agendered.

I am still a biological female. I am also bisexual.

I cannot escape either my biology nor my sexual preference by claiming I am something I am not.