That's a first. Accused of transphobia. WIBU? Screenshots.

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A group on facebook that I'm in.

Have never been accused of transphobia before and like to think I'm a tolerant and inclusive person. Quite socked and wondering if I am in the wrong here?

Clearly, I'm now close from being banned from the group. Just for context, it's a writing group.

You're creating a battle where there doesn't need to be one. Stop caring what you're called.

So racism, homophobia and misogyny aren't worth fighting then?

Why do you care?

I care because the language being used is dehumanising, and this gives people the green light to treat women and girls like we aren't human. And believe me it's fucking happening.

If someone else wants to define as whatever, who cares?

So other people are allowed to define as they want, but women aren't allowed to want to be defined as women? Got it.

Women sexually assault other women in women's prisons.

Ah, the old 'women assault women anyway so why not let men in on the action too'. Nice. One of the rapists victims suffered internal damage so badly she may not be able to have children and she attempted to take her own life. But she's only a woman, the boring natal kind, so who gives a shit, right?

Children literally drowned today trying to get to the UK. Proportion?

I don't know about you, but I'm more than capable of worrying about more than one thing at a time.

It's not that i don't care, it's just that I don't see it. Or where I do, it's very very rarely. It's a classic straw man IMHO. I guess you could argue 'it's a slippery slope' but the way some people talk is like these things are common place. In response to prepubescent surgery/ blockers etc, I again think there is a nuance that most people who sit on the extremes of this argument often miss. For some people, it could be completely appropriate and save alot of time and trauma. For some people it's completely inappropriate. It's not fair to have a blanket opinion about something to complex, especially when the person involved isn't you or your child. I would love to move to a post gendered world, where individuals don't feel the need to express their sex to everyone else. 🙂

Dehumanising language? What about just being called a human? Is that humanising enough?

I would love to move to a post gendered world, where individuals don't feel the need to express their sex to everyone else.

Loads of women would love to be free from people knowing their sex.
Men knowing we are women makes us vulnerable to assault, violence, exploitation, violation, oppression.
I think you're a bit muddled about what you're "fighting" here.

@Perfect28

Bothers me that there are so many transphobes here. That's all. Yes women get raped. I've been raped, twice. Trans people are also very likely to suffer (sexual) assault. They are vulnerable. Women are vulnerable. Why do we have to fight eachother?

If I believed for a moment that you genuinely didn't see the conflict, I might bother to explain it to you. As it is, your post boils down to the same old "Why can't women just be NICE?" and that can just fuck right off.

I'm not fighting anyone on this debate. My point is why does it have to be a fight?

What's worrying that women are being continued to be discriminated and silenced.

It's not about not being nice. Fuck being nice. But we don't have to be cruel. It doesn't have to be about creating divisions. Misogyny and sexism doesn't benefit transfolks either.

Well I am fighting not to be called a menstruator or a cervix haver or a chest feeder

It’s dehumanising

@Perfect28

Just read the long reply to my comment. Literally taking a few small examples and getting worked up about them. You're creating a battle where there doesn't need to be one. Stop caring what you're called. Why do you care? I'm a person. I want human rights. That's it. If someone else wants to define as whatever, who cares? Women sexually assault other women in women's prisons. Can we not see sexual assault as the problem and not sex? There are a million issues in this world to fight. To be an activist. Causes to take up. This just seems an odd one. Children literally drowned today trying to get to the UK. Proportion?

@Perfect28 it is worrying that you don't think that womens and girls rights don't matter in the grand scheme of things, especially when trying to protect biology. Girls and women are their biology, there's no such thing as actual 'feeling like a woman'. We have spend hundreds of years being used and abused because we're born female. Forced into marriage, denied abortions, forced into pregnancy, ill and dying because our medical issues are ignored. These are not things that stopped happening over time - they're happening to thousands of women as you are reading this. The scale of abuse against girls and women is almost insurmountable, and yet people like yourself say 'oh why such a fuss'. We fought and fought for the rights to our own anatomy, and just as we were getting to a turning point, the goalposts are moved and we are told 'your biology never actually mattered, if you say it does you're a bigot'. Girls are literally being raped or murdered right now just because they were born girls.

Imagine that you replaced "woman'' with another oppressed or vulnerable group:

'5 gay men are murdered a week in a domestic violence incident'.

'Most rapes against disabled people never reach court, and it's near impossible to get a conviction if they do'.

'Most black people take an average of 7 years to have their medical issues taken seriously'.

Why is it that any progressive, liberal society are seeing the horrors that face so many groups of society, yet girls and women are suffering in millions are getting ignored? Has it become so normal that people have convinced themselves that any bit of equality we do have is actually 'privilege'? That the 'war on women' is won and we must now get over the idea we have any right to protection? Why does every other cause come first and women told 'you have it good' when anyone with a brain can see things are quickly going backwards for girls in the world without demanding they share their 'female-ness' with the very people who caused their oppression to being with?

Why does it have to be a fight?

Well, one reason is many gender ideologists have tried to get women (and some men) thrown out of their jobs, university courses, professional bodies, trades unions, political parties and anything else they might have the temerity to be doing while also believing that sex is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act and should continue to be so. Not to mention that some pathetic inadequates threaten women and their daughters with rape and murder for speaking up on these issues, while the police look the other way.

Misogyny and sexism doesn't benefit transfolks either.
Why do you think transfolk who are males (however you define them) don't benefit from misogyny?

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@Perfect28

Dehumanising language? What about just being called a human? Is that humanising enough?

Of course being referred to as a bleeder is dehumanising. And it stems from misogyny. There's no push for males to be called ejaculators, penis havers, etc.

Why isn't the word man transphobic? The prostate cancer campaign clearly says that MEN are worth saving. Transwomen have prostates and are at risk of prostate cancer too-why no 'prostate havers are worth saving'?

Misogyny, that's why. Clear as day. It's absolutely an attack on women, and of course we're going to object.

It's total rubbish to think that I don't care about women and girls. See this is what I don't understand, you've instantly assumed that I'm ignorant of or simply don't give a shit about the issues you list. Typical straw man.

I've never once been called any of these things. Have you? Irl? Why do you get more of a right about what you're called than anyone else?

you've instantly assumed that I'm ignorant of or simply don't give a shit about the issues you list. Typical straw man.
No, it's based on the crap you're posting, actually. No assumptions necessary.

If you want to live in a black and white binary world, you do you.

@Perfect28

It's total rubbish to think that I don't care about women and girls. See this is what I don't understand, you've instantly assumed that I'm ignorant of or simply don't give a shit about the issues you list. Typical straw man.

Its not total rubbish. You said you want 'human rights', 'why make it a fight', 'women sexually assault women as well'.

As I said, it's the 'all lives matter' response when it comes to defending women's rights to be called women, to own their biology as their own.

I don’t get why you felt the need to comment. Gay trans men can have children, so why did you feel the need to reply?
Also the gay trans man may have been born intersex, neither female nor male, so you are also incorrect.

What does that even mean?

Why do you get more of a right about what you're called than anyone else?

We don't want more of a right, we want our feelings to be equally as valid. But because we're only women, no one is listening. Same old same old.

Intersex - you are still male OR female, not some mythical being of neither/both.

Just out of interest, what do you think would be the outcome if transwomen were sent to male prisons?

Fairynick I'm pretty sure if someone is intersex then they are not, and would not describe themselves as, trans.
Humans of the female biological sex have babies. Those humans may choose to identify as men, but they are still humans of the female sex.