Blaming Labour

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Time and time again I see here that the only reason people voted for the tories was because 'anti-semite/terrorist/bad dresser Corbyn' AIBU to think that all these people voted for the racist/misogynist/self-serving Johnson knowing he is all these things as all his views come straight out his mouth, yet the anti Corbyn stuff is hearsay from the press/Russian bots/SM etc.

I don't think Corbyn would have made a good prime minister necessarily, he is too passionate, too idealistic. However, for all those saying he should have stepped down: he won more people to join the Labour Party than ever before, there was the beginning of a movement for change, real change. But members of Momentum joined to deliberately sabotage, along with the constant hum of how evil this man is, how dangerous from the right-wing big business and newspaper owners along with a growing feeling of mistrust manufactured by Russian social media destabilisation all conspired to make sure he failed.

We are all hating what is happening in this country now, but for the moment, the best way to tackle it is through socialism and inclusion. People seemed so scared of socialism, is it because it gets confused with communism? For covid and climate change and unemployment and mental health support and education and the NHS and all the other major issues that face us as a society at the moment, we need to work as a team, surely?

Didn't dismiss their opinion.

Strangely though you are dismissing other Jewish groups opinions.

Nor was I trivialising, I pointed out that the leader of the Tories had made antisemitic tropes in a novel he wrote yet wasn't criticised at all to the same extent.

What worries did Jewish people have about JC? Genuinely

I didn't say you were antisemitic. The insult that you clutched your pearls over was aimed at the Blessed Jeremy.

I won't vote for Labour as they are anti-women. Won't vote for tories either, but as a woman voting for Labour is like turkeys voting for Christmas.

I've also questioned why the uber conservative board of deputies was so opposed to Corbyn and drove this issue which was then weaponised by the right wing press

Do you actually know any of the leadership of the BoD, or in fact any deputies at all? If not, if you had researched for 10 seconds you would have known that the chief executive is a former labour MP and the president is far closer to the Labour party than the Tories, and has been heavily criticised for this. But no - they must be uber-conservative because they opposed Corbyn, one of the few things that the community was not split on....

Attempting to rewrite the internationally agreed definition of antisemitism clangs so many alarm bells my ears are sore.
Not realising an obviously antisemitic picture was antisemitic doesn't help.
I saw him at the Chakrabati report launch when some twat had a go at Luciana Berger. He didn't intervene and should have done.
Creating a climate where all Jewish people are held personally responsible for the actions of Likud .
Want any more?

The chief Rabbi is an ally of Boris, and it's possible for some members to have been Labour MPs but not allies of Corbyn.

Why were they so anti Corbyn but not as critical of the tories ?

I haven't attempted to re write anything, in fact I'm very within the agreed lines.

I dont think Corbyn did create an environment where all Jewish people were responsible for th4 actions of Likud.

So what if the Chief Rabbi loves Boris. Or are "they all the same" in your eyes.
Jesus wept.

Chief Rabbi doesn't love Boris - all he did was congratulate him on becoming PM. I suspect that the Chief Rabbi of the time has congratulated every PM to take office since Robert Walpole.

Not at all, that's your strawman, but it was the chief Rabbi who made the statement about Corbyn's unfairness for office and other statements.

But why did none of these groups criticise the Tories for similar things ? Why was Boris not fit for office?

If you listen not too hard you can hear the dog whistle

There is no dog whistle at all.

Just your inability to answer legitimate questions

@Porridgeoat

I didn’t vote labour because they don’t have a clue what a woman is. Bunch of misogynistic gits cloaked in fake wokeness.

Under Labour Women’s rights (according to the equality act) would be dismantled - female spaces given to males.

To safeguard women and children I opted not to vote labour.

There are still no signs of labour growing out of their misogynistic phase

This is written better than I could have done. I did vote labour at the last election. I have since cancelled my membership on the basis of the above. Any party who pertain to want to erase women will never get my vote again.

Shame really as I do agree with a lot of their policies but this is just too much

Is it a crap Gov - I mean if we'd had the pharma industry of Germany or the restrictive society of China covid would have gone differently - I don't think were so much worse than elsewhere. Brexit ? Well the proof will be in the eating, I think any disadvantages from Brexit will be hugely overtaken by covid problems. The gov was voted in by the electorate blame the electorate.
Labours prob is their use of the magic money tree - people see through the rhetoric, however there's a chance they will be voted in at the next election as everyone is so fed up.
Good luck to them - or anyone sorting this chaos.

The magic money tree seems to have been there all along. Austerity in the front it was implenebted was only ever a political choice, and caused more damage than good.

I agree with @Porridgeoat
I don't want myself, my friends or my daughter sharing a changing room with men. No idea of safeguarding women and children at all. Very dangerous IMO. I don't consider myself a tory but relate to them more than the shambles of labour.

Labours prob is their use of the magic money tree

The one that’s being so vigorously shaken now?

Couldn't agree more with you op.

To safeguard women and children I opted not to vote labour.

Did a sane adult here actually write this?!?!
Hope they don't rely on free school meals during the holidays.

But labour said they keep single sex spaces, in its manifesto.

But anyway. All so desperate to blame others.

Fuck it. Blame labour. You are the one losing now.

I answered your questions. You didn't like the answers, Tom.

They weren't really answers just statements based on your views. So supposition, therefore poor.

Mmmm yes, it was my opinion that Corbyn wouldn't accept the internationally agreed definition of antisemitism. Nope, that is a factual event.
It's my opinion that he didn't stop that twat from his anti Semitic rant against Luciana Berger at the Chakrabati report lunch. Funny, because I saw that event on TV.
And it's my opinion that he didn't spot the antisemitic nature of that poster. Or, it actually happened as an event.

You have an odd idea of what an opinion is and what a fact is. Hi, Donald.

@MiddleClassMother

I agree with *@Porridgeoat* I don't want myself, my friends or my daughter sharing a changing room with men. No idea of safeguarding women and children at all. Very dangerous IMO. I don't consider myself a tory but relate to them more than the shambles of labour.

Do you still think the tories have women and childrens best interests at heart? Even now?

The Tories hadn't adopted it at the point either, and yes, because it was felt that criticism of Israel could be called antisemitic. It isn't. They did adopt it in the end, before the Tories.

He didn't stop someone having a rant no, he should have, I agree.

But if you remember FB back in 2012 then it wasn't that great and the comment on the mural was not antisemitic its self.

AS said, no critique of actual antisemitism from Boris, or JRM, or Cameron allying with Orban or any other matters.

Why ?

Oh and he didn't betray the working class, thats not why he lost in 2019.