Blaming Labour

[InsanityRocks]

Time and time again I see here that the only reason people voted for the tories was because 'anti-semite/terrorist/bad dresser Corbyn' AIBU to think that all these people voted for the racist/misogynist/self-serving Johnson knowing he is all these things as all his views come straight out his mouth, yet the anti Corbyn stuff is hearsay from the press/Russian bots/SM etc.

I don't think Corbyn would have made a good prime minister necessarily, he is too passionate, too idealistic. However, for all those saying he should have stepped down: he won more people to join the Labour Party than ever before, there was the beginning of a movement for change, real change. But members of Momentum joined to deliberately sabotage, along with the constant hum of how evil this man is, how dangerous from the right-wing big business and newspaper owners along with a growing feeling of mistrust manufactured by Russian social media destabilisation all conspired to make sure he failed.

We are all hating what is happening in this country now, but for the moment, the best way to tackle it is through socialism and inclusion. People seemed so scared of socialism, is it because it gets confused with communism? For covid and climate change and unemployment and mental health support and education and the NHS and all the other major issues that face us as a society at the moment, we need to work as a team, surely?

I didn’t vote labour because they don’t have a clue what a woman is. Bunch of misogynistic gits cloaked in fake wokeness.

Under Labour Women’s rights (according to the equality act) would be dismantled - female spaces given to males.

To safeguard women and children I opted not to vote labour.

There are still no signs of labour growing out of their misogynistic phase

sst1234 Do you mean socialism or communism? There are countries in Europe that have socialist policies such as Finland and Sweden. I think their societies come out as happier than the UK

Regardless of his friends or the reports on him he was an ineffective leader

Labour was utterly useless under his leadership We needed a party that could hold the Tories to account we needed a party that people felt they knew where the leader stood on Brexit we needed a leader that would act like a leader of the opposition not a sulky petulant child

We were let down

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Can you show us where socialism has worked out well? For society and for climate change?

Post war reconstruction across Europe, and social democracies there ever since. Pure unchecked capitalism always causes social tensions and eventual upheaval.

sst1234 In my post I said I didn't think Corbyn would make a good prime minister. I am asking why people chose Johnson over him.
People might say they don't want socialism but over the last year the majority of people have been in favour of state help and the NHS which are socialist policies.

[quote BangBux]@VinylDetective Sweden isn't a socialist country. fee.org/articles/is-sweden-socialist-no-but/ Bernie Sanders got in a bit of a pickle during his presidential campaign for saying it was - and I believe Sweden may have even corrected him.[/quote]
So you post a link which says Sweden isn’t a socialist state but then goes on to explain it’s organised on completely socialist, high tax principles. OK.

Sweden managed a lower Covid death rate than its neighbouring countries without locking down, how is that not controlling it?

@InsanityRocks

sst1234 Do you mean socialism or communism? There are countries in Europe that have socialist policies such as Finland and Sweden. I think their societies come out as happier than the UK

The UK has socialist policies... damn near every country has some socialist policies - it doesn't make them socialist countries though. It's scary that you're so pro socialism when you don't appear to know what it is.

[quote sst1234]@VinylDetective

You do know that Sweden isn’t socialist, right? D‘Oh[/quote]
Beat me to it sst1234

@InsanityRocks

sst1234 Do you mean socialism or communism? There are countries in Europe that have socialist policies such as Finland and Sweden. I think their societies come out as happier than the UK

I mean socialism and yes I know the difference between the two. And as it happens, Britain already has many many socialist policies too. Also I’m not sure what is relevance of ‘happiness surveys’ arguing for any policies. Happiness is quantified by the results at the ballot box, not by surveys. People get a chance to say what they are happy with when they get to vote, and they sure ain’t happy about Labour.

@VinylDetective Yes, well done. Sweden isn't a socialist state - it's a capitalist state with some socialist policies in its tax collection and distribution. Those things are not the same, obviously.

Social democracies, not socialist states.

Market economies as opposed to central planning.

Honestly, just go back to your basics and dint embarrass yourselves.

they sure ain’t happy about Labour

They may not have been in December. The parties are neck to neck now.

@VinylDetective

they sure ain’t happy about Labour

They may not have been in December. The parties are neck to neck now.

Another 4 years to go to the next election. A long time in politics.

ItsAlwaysSunnyOnMN
"we needed a leader that would act like a leader of the opposition not a sulky petulant child "

If you ever watch PMQ you will see we have exactly that in Johnson.

@VinylDetective

they sure ain’t happy about Labour

They may not have been in December. The parties are neck to neck now.

At times of social and economic distress, Tories always win GEs - fact. Labour won’t get a look in because they largely lack fiscal and economic credibility. Clearly seen in the last 100 year electoral history.

Social democracies, not socialist states.

I’m glad you know the difference. In which case you can see that that is the change needed and wanted so why all the horror about communist (which I think is what you mean) states?

@Porridgeoat

I didn’t vote labour because they don’t have a clue what a woman is. Bunch of misogynistic gits cloaked in fake wokeness.

Under Labour Women’s rights (according to the equality act) would be dismantled - female spaces given to males.

To safeguard women and children I opted not to vote labour.

There are still no signs of labour growing out of their misogynistic phase

Yes, I agree with this.

I think the tories are equally as misogynistic, but they do at least recognise women.

There’s an odd obsession within the left to look to other countries and what their electorate vote for. What’s wrong with engaging with the UK population?

Isn’t it time for Labour to look at what the uk electorate vote for. The Tories got this generations ago. They will pinch socially progressive policies if it gets them the win with the electorate.

Labour Party activists seem to think screaming abuse from their echo chambers is the way to go with people who aren’t attracted to their policies.

And please enough of the right wing print media being puppet masters. Hardly anyone reads a newspaper anymore. Might be time to wake up to how people get their news these days.

Hang on, so you got it wrong but when I pointed it out you still think you are somehow right?

Labour won’t get a look in because they largely lack fiscal and economic credibility

Did you type that with a straight face? How much money are those fiscally and economically credible Tories throwing about at the moment?

@VinylDetective

Labour won’t get a look in because they largely lack fiscal and economic credibility

Did you type that with a straight face? How much money are those fiscally and economically credible Tories throwing about at the moment?

Do you have a reason you support Corbyn or just reasons you dislike the Conservatives?

Well we’ll all find out next year just how good right wing policies are won’t we? We’re already seeing people getting upset about hungry children now.

@VinylDetective

Labour won’t get a look in because they largely lack fiscal and economic credibility

Did you type that with a straight face? How much money are those fiscally and economically credible Tories throwing about at the moment?

So they shouldn’t be spending it then, in your view? No need for furlough etc? I think your argument is confused about what you really want from a government. Second, it doesn’t matter to the Tories, as Labour still won’t get a look in. Like I say, take a look at electoral history, don’t just get consumed by hysteria.