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Blaming Labour

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InsanityRocks · 24/10/2020 21:08

Time and time again I see here that the only reason people voted for the tories was because 'anti-semite/terrorist/bad dresser Corbyn' AIBU to think that all these people voted for the racist/misogynist/self-serving Johnson knowing he is all these things as all his views come straight out his mouth, yet the anti Corbyn stuff is hearsay from the press/Russian bots/SM etc.

I don't think Corbyn would have made a good prime minister necessarily, he is too passionate, too idealistic. However, for all those saying he should have stepped down: he won more people to join the Labour Party than ever before, there was the beginning of a movement for change, real change. But members of Momentum joined to deliberately sabotage, along with the constant hum of how evil this man is, how dangerous from the right-wing big business and newspaper owners along with a growing feeling of mistrust manufactured by Russian social media destabilisation all conspired to make sure he failed.

We are all hating what is happening in this country now, but for the moment, the best way to tackle it is through socialism and inclusion. People seemed so scared of socialism, is it because it gets confused with communism? For covid and climate change and unemployment and mental health support and education and the NHS and all the other major issues that face us as a society at the moment, we need to work as a team, surely?

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Quickncjust4this · 24/10/2020 21:12

Yanbu but best get your tin hat on!

BangBux · 24/10/2020 21:14

I voted independent because I genuinely believe that Jeremy Corbyn is pure evil. I met him once and he has the air of a serial killer. People don't dislike him because of Russian bots or the press - they dislike him because of his own words and actions - you sound terrifyingly deluded to be completely frank with you.
And yes, he may have got the most people to join the party, but he caused them the greatest loss in the election in a bloody long time. He created a cult - a relatively small band of obsessive, deluded (and potentially dangerous) followers with the wider society thinking they're all completely insane.

sst1234 · 24/10/2020 21:14

Your post is a good illustration of why people didn’t vote labour. You are still advocating for Corbyn, long after he has been discredited as a disaster. You equate socialism with inclusion and no doubt ‘progressiveness. Sure, how has socialism worked out the world over? I think the results are plain for all to see.
Labour are to blame, because they made themselves unelectable, and still are.....have you seen that front bench lately. If you have been watching domestic politics since 2010 and still think think socialism is the answer....then you are asking the wrong question.

chipsandpeas · 24/10/2020 21:16

imo if you want to blame labour you need to go back to 2010 when ed was elected leader

sst1234 · 24/10/2020 21:20

To be honest, reading this post, it seems that OP hasn’t been around much on the planet to know the mood since 2010. What on earth gives them the impression that the electorate wants socialism or that Corbyn could have been successful. The wilful denial of reality is just staggering.

chickenyhead · 24/10/2020 21:20

Life long labour voter, but Corbyn would never ever have been priminister. He should have stepped aside long before the election. He very publicly failed to make decisions on ANYTHING.

I did not and never will vote tory however.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 24/10/2020 21:22

Can you show us where socialism has worked out well? For society and for climate change?

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 24/10/2020 21:23

Oh and for COVID?

Which socialist county has managed to het it under control?

BangBux · 24/10/2020 21:24

@chickenyhead

Life long labour voter, but Corbyn would never ever have been priminister. He should have stepped aside long before the election. He very publicly failed to make decisions on ANYTHING.

I did not and never will vote tory however.

I'm just staggered at his audacity to not step down AFTER the election. He lost any delusion of dignity when he stayed on after that and tried to interfere with the leadership contest. It was pathetic to be honest.
Mintjulia · 24/10/2020 21:25

Yes we need to work together but we also need to pay for the things our society needs, and I am not just convinced that any part of Labour has a grasp on the finances.

MalorieSnooty · 24/10/2020 21:26

Corbyn lacked passion. I know this because he was my MP for years. He was always preaching to the choir instead of trying to win hearts and minds. (I'm a LP member, joined to vote Keir in).

Pemba · 24/10/2020 21:29

Bangbux you sound insane.

BangBux · 24/10/2020 21:31

@Pemba

Bangbux you sound insane.
Ok, thanks for the feedback. I'm sorry your precious Corbyn lost so badly - it must because everyone else is wrong and blind to the wonder of JC and the small minority of his devoted supporters all see the truth...
Runningjump · 24/10/2020 21:31

You don't need more members. You need more votes.

Every single time this is pointed out to people like you it falls on deaf ears.

Corbyn was deeply unpopular. People viewed him as an immature, out of touch, contrarian man who practices student politics. His history in Parliament shows us that, not the press.

I'm in a red wall constituency and everyone I know who voted Labour voted through gritted teeth - in spite of Corbyn.

He could never, ever win an election and he knew that. His ego was more important to him and the disdain he showed for the people of this country by not stepping down shows how unpleasant he is.

But hey, you got a few students to support you so he was actually a howling success, wasn't he?

VinylDetective · 24/10/2020 21:31

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

Oh and for COVID?

Which socialist county has managed to het it under control?

Sweden.
FractionalGains · 24/10/2020 21:32

I couldn’t vote for Jeremy Corbyn because of his position on anti-semitism and because he has an IRA apologist as his deputy.

But I didn’t vote for boris Johnson either. There are a lot of people like me who wouldn’t vote Tory but didn’t feel able to vote for Labour under Corbyn.

user1471453601 · 24/10/2020 21:32

Labour haven't been in power for ten years. Perhaps it's reasonable to blame Corbyn for a small part of that. But really?! If you voted tory, you got what you voted for. People who would rather children went hungry than they defy their Lord and master.

Id say " suck it up" but those of us that didnt vote for this scum,also have to suck it up.

Well done you who voted for this scum

sst1234 · 24/10/2020 21:34

Here’s the thing, if there was a GE tomorrow ....Tories would still win.

  1. Their policies are non existent or still hard left territory.
2.Then look at the shadow cabinet, who would you want running the treasury - Sunak, Dodds, Dodds, Sunak. Hmmm, I think it’s pretty clear that most people don’t even know who the shadow Chancellor is.
  1. The opposition leader stood by like a vegetable and enabled that disaster that was Corbyn and orchestrated the disastrous Brexit policy for Labour.
  2. Labour deputy leader’s babymama act is just boring if not a little cringe
  3. Lenin McClusky’s tentacles are well truly embedded into the core of Labour
  4. I can’t be bothered to go on, you get the picture

Now tell me, who shall we blame for Labour’s woes.

sst1234 · 24/10/2020 21:35

@VinylDetective

You do know that Sweden isn’t socialist, right? D‘Oh

Keepithidden · 24/10/2020 21:35

Agree OP, I don't think Britain would have turned into a socialist totalitarian state under Corbyn, there's too many checks and balances in place. However, it would've been good to see someone a lot less right wing in charge, particularly given the current incumbents. Labour have always been a party to look out more for the people, I'm not blind to the problems they have but they would've been the lesser of two evils IMO.

InsanityRocks · 24/10/2020 21:36

And yes, he may have got the most people to join the party, but he caused them the greatest loss in the election in a bloody long time. He created a cult - a relatively small band of obsessive, deluded (and potentially dangerous) followers with the wider society thinking they're all completely insane.

He or the people who were against for their own agenda?

I agree that there were horrible and dangerous members of Momentum

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BangBux · 24/10/2020 21:37

@VinylDetective Sweden isn't a socialist country. fee.org/articles/is-sweden-socialist-no-but/ Bernie Sanders got in a bit of a pickle during his presidential campaign for saying it was - and I believe Sweden may have even corrected him.

chickenyhead · 24/10/2020 21:38

@BangBux
Agree completely.

He wasn't credible opposition to anyone.

ChardonnaysPetDragon · 24/10/2020 21:38

ChardonnaysPetDragon
Oh and for COVID?

Which socialist county has managed to het it under control?
Sweden.

Well no, because (a) they don’t have it under control, and (b) Sweden is not a socialist state.

I

PercyKirke · 24/10/2020 21:39

It always strikes me as odd that the "progressive" Labour party are always looking back (to Corbyn even sometimes Attlee) whereas the reactionary Tories never seem to do so, always talking about the country's future with only brief generalised references to the past.

Perhaps there's a lesson here for Labour?

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