Blaming Labour

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Time and time again I see here that the only reason people voted for the tories was because 'anti-semite/terrorist/bad dresser Corbyn' AIBU to think that all these people voted for the racist/misogynist/self-serving Johnson knowing he is all these things as all his views come straight out his mouth, yet the anti Corbyn stuff is hearsay from the press/Russian bots/SM etc.

I don't think Corbyn would have made a good prime minister necessarily, he is too passionate, too idealistic. However, for all those saying he should have stepped down: he won more people to join the Labour Party than ever before, there was the beginning of a movement for change, real change. But members of Momentum joined to deliberately sabotage, along with the constant hum of how evil this man is, how dangerous from the right-wing big business and newspaper owners along with a growing feeling of mistrust manufactured by Russian social media destabilisation all conspired to make sure he failed.

We are all hating what is happening in this country now, but for the moment, the best way to tackle it is through socialism and inclusion. People seemed so scared of socialism, is it because it gets confused with communism? For covid and climate change and unemployment and mental health support and education and the NHS and all the other major issues that face us as a society at the moment, we need to work as a team, surely?

I don't actually feel that MN is far left anymore at all. In fact much of it reads as though written directly by DMail.

Forgetting the racism and hypocrisy Labour specialise in for one moment, the main problems that prevent them getting elected are
a) they choose leaders who are arrogant, out of touch, incompetent and completely unelectable (Brown, Milliband, Corbyn & Sir Kier all fall into this category)
b) since the Blair personality cult ended, they have shown themselves unable to come up with credible policies that can both solve the country's problems and remain affordable.

For a decade now Labour have misunderstood the role of opposition. The opposition should not just oppose whatever the government puts forward, but come up with a believable and better alternative.

@chickenyhead

I don't actually feel that MN is far left anymore at all. In fact much of it reads as though written directly by DMail.

I agree. As a fairly new user, I have not felt that mn is of the left at all. I don't think it is largely of the right either, but I think it could be labelled centre right quite convincingly.

20mum
... It must be obvious if anyone applies brain, instead of mindless sentimentality, that you cannot eliminate child poverty by pouring gold over a gambling or junkie mother. It must be obvious that everything humans need as children they also need as adults, especially when old or disabled, yet the clamour for the cute is unquestioning and overpowering. (And never, never challenged.)...

I think you miss the point about the free school meals over the holidays argument. Forget about 'clamouring for the cute'. We are clamouring for one of the many things we need to do for the future prospects of our most disadvantaged people so that they are given the opportunity to rise above their circumstances. 2000 paediatricians today have written about the effects of childhood hunger on development and ability to learn and thrive. We don't want this because they are cute! We don't want this because we think it will fix their problems because, trust me, we aren't that naive. We want this for their health as one of the many things we should be doing to 'level up' this flawed country.

The only people to blame for people not voting Labour are the voters themselves.

They made their choice according to what they thought best at the time. Now they realise they were wrong, they're looking for someone to blame.

Suck it up people. You voted for this.

The only people to blame for people not voting Labour are the voters themselves.

No, the only people to blame for voters not voting Labour are Labour themselves.

That’s how voting works, a party has a Manifesto, a campaign and voters vote if they agree with what it says. If they do t like it, they don’t vote for it.

Blaming the voters is putting the horse in front of the cart and it doesn’t help Labour move on from the election disaster.

I voted Labour because of our local MP. However, it is deliberately blinkered to claim Corbyn's leadership bore no impact upon voting in the last election. Many felt that there was no credible opposition to the tories.

As the 2 main parties, the Labour Party seriously let the country down in this respect.

I’m a lifelong Labour voter who spoilt her paper in December. I just couldn’t vote for a party going in the direction he was taking it. It was an easy decision because it’s Tory central here and my vote is meaningless anyway.

I spoilt my ballot paper because I had no viable option to vote for! When younger labour would have been my party of choice, since Blair however they have gone down a path that alienated me and many I know. From being a party for the working classes to a party of insufferable, patronising, arrogant middle class wokes who demonise the very people they used to represent. As for Johnson et al, they represent themselves and their own interests!

Yes, @MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes, but footballification is wrong.
Try "My religion is better than yours is, so there, and we can settle it by killing one another". Try " it's either my football team or yours that's totally saintly so let's punch each other to settle it". Try " my political team has all the good guys so if any idea comes from your gang, then my gang will sneer at your gang and take care to ignore the idea".

Humans have brains. Most of them are women. Most of them are not in politics. Most of them have no other status or position of influence. In every advance, people are beginning to realise that single idea groups can't get the breakthrough. Repeatedly, mixed teams with the widest, apparently irrelevant experience are the ones suddenly make a mental leap forward connecting two entirely disparate areas of knowledge.

* Sweden managed a lower Covid death rate than its neighbouring countries without locking down, how is that not controlling it?*

That really isn’t true. The other three Scandinavian countries locked down and had much lower death rates.

I was born and bred a true Labour voter. I had high hopes for whoever followed Corbyn. Unfortunately whenever I see or hear Starmer I think of a damp dishcloth. (Similar to John Major).

Give him a chance - he’s had six months in the middle of a pandemic!

I wonder how many people claiming they voted Conservative because they were worried about antisemitism were at all concerned or angry about the attacks on Ed Miliband’s Jewishness.

(Hint: none of them)

@wewillmeetagain

I spoilt my ballot paper because I had no viable option to vote for! When younger labour would have been my party of choice, since Blair however they have gone down a path that alienated me and many I know. From being a party for the working classes to a party of insufferable, patronising, arrogant middle class wokes who demonise the very people they used to represent. As for Johnson et al, they represent themselves and their own interests!

‘Wokes’.

For fuck’s sake. Let me guess, racism, homophobia and sexism are just identity politics and class is the only thing that matters.

See, the obsession with calling everyone to the left of Johnson ‘woke’ is why I find it mad that people think Mumsnet is liberal. It isn’t. If you’re any kind of minority, don’t expect support.

[quote crackofdoom]You were asking for an example of a socialist state that has successfully managed to contain Covid. Is Cuba socialist enough for you??
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/07/cuba-coronavirus-success-contact-tracing-isolation[/quote]
We do all aspire to the human rights, civil liberties and standard of living in Cuba. Even BJ won’t take us back that far in 5 years.

Nah nah na na nah, my gang's better than your gang.

" That's the way to do it" said Mr. Punch. But is it really? Would new thinking be so bad? New, less adversarial macho ways of doing things?

I'm waiting for the next person who says " it's all the fault of Mrs. Thatcher". Or maybe "they should never have given women the vote"

This thread sums up the sentiment ‘everyone’s a socialist until they can’t get an iPhone’

In my post I said I didn't think Corbyn would make a good prime minister. I am asking why people chose Johnson over him
First I spoiled my vote because I happen to think women matter and require words and laws and ability to meet to discuss such things.
Second who was a credible alternative to bojo?
Corbyn was never credible, bojo is bloody awful, and had I voted I would have struggled between the two loathsome men. But I would have voted bojo because Brexit.

I blame them for unrealistic policies everything the want to do is fantastic but I can't see how we could ever afford to do it.

Oh and corbyns UK wide government run internet just made me laugh. Like any single person would ever use it, want to pay for it via taxes, trust it.
That particular idea was dire but so funny too. Only a lame brain could come up with it. And before I'm labelled a Tory, bojo is utterly insufferable and his non handling of the Cummings eye sight drive test was beyond the pale. I cannot understand why Cummings is still in his job.

@TheFuckingDogs

I met Corbyn - he was a lovely man. I accept now that he wasn’t right to be PM because sadly his moral compass is too strong and perhaps he is if I’m completely honest a tad too idealistic for PM level politics but to the first poster who likened him to a serial killer - absolute bollocks 🤣

I've met him a few times, and I entirely agree. He's kind, polite, respectful of everyone, mild-mannered, quite witty, and very thoughtful.

The serial killer thing is just ridiculous. I'd struggle to think of anyone much less likely to get physical. And he's practically a pacifist.

Britains most successful government by far was also its only ever socialist one, so can we drop the 'well extreme communism didnt work in peasant russia so' crap?

Well im a socialist and I live in one room and have a phone that cost me a tenner from tescos, no idea what kind it is.