Blaming Labour

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Time and time again I see here that the only reason people voted for the tories was because 'anti-semite/terrorist/bad dresser Corbyn' AIBU to think that all these people voted for the racist/misogynist/self-serving Johnson knowing he is all these things as all his views come straight out his mouth, yet the anti Corbyn stuff is hearsay from the press/Russian bots/SM etc.

I don't think Corbyn would have made a good prime minister necessarily, he is too passionate, too idealistic. However, for all those saying he should have stepped down: he won more people to join the Labour Party than ever before, there was the beginning of a movement for change, real change. But members of Momentum joined to deliberately sabotage, along with the constant hum of how evil this man is, how dangerous from the right-wing big business and newspaper owners along with a growing feeling of mistrust manufactured by Russian social media destabilisation all conspired to make sure he failed.

We are all hating what is happening in this country now, but for the moment, the best way to tackle it is through socialism and inclusion. People seemed so scared of socialism, is it because it gets confused with communism? For covid and climate change and unemployment and mental health support and education and the NHS and all the other major issues that face us as a society at the moment, we need to work as a team, surely?

Post war reconstruction across Europe, and social democracies there ever since. Pure unchecked capitalism always causes social tensions and eventual upheaval.

Can I remind you what happened after the end of socialism in Eastern Europe?

Or did you miss the upheaval and so so tensions there? Even the occasional war or two?

Social tensions, not so so.

It is over simplistic to blame Labour entirely. You can't deny that Corbyn failed, but let's not underestimate the power of the Murdoch press in influencing election results. Tony Blair had to court Murdoch in order to win his elections and Corbyn absolutely refused to do that (not that Murdoch would ever subscribe to his politics anyway). This meant that he was going to loose before he even began.

I am laughing at the poster who described Corbyn as pure evil. That is clearly ridiculous.

You’re obfuscating the differences between the various forms you are lumping under the word ‘socialism’. I don’t know if it’s deliberate or not. It’s tiring however.

I’m not talking about Boris Johnson

I’m talking about what the Labour Party needed to win an election

Labour always have to be the better party they always have to work harder to win voters over

No I’m not, you picking and choosing whatever suits you and keep mixing things up.

I'm from a traditional Labour voting family and we weren't keen on Corbyn. Take a look at the Twitter feeds that support him, full of aggressive individuals who pile on anyone that disagree with their conspiracy theories. They also attack moderate Labour MPs. Totally off-putting.

@sevencontinents

I am laughing at the poster who described Corbyn as pure evil. That is clearly ridiculous.

Do you also laugh at the posters who describe Tories or Johnson as pure evil? Or is your amusement reserved for partisan hyperbole only?

Ah, you’re in the “we won the argument” camp, despite the biggest election defeat since WW2

If you want to know why, Janice Turner did an excellent column in the Times giving her perspective

And very boring. As I said, we’ll see how well right wing policies are doing next year won’t we. Again.

Corbyn was an absolute fucking loon. He is a communist! Surely you don’t think he would have made a good prime minister OP.

Sst1234
Thank you for your question. Yes, I laugh at people who say Johnson is pure evil. Just to clarify. Hope that answers your assumption sufficiently.

Corbyn and Momentum were an unmitigated disaster for Labour.
Boris is also a disaster
I wish we could have a GE now. I would be able to vote Labour now.

My vote for the Conservatives had absolutely nothing to do with Corbyn or the the Labour Party. It had everything to do with them being the only viable party to form a government.

Labour was torn in half and is economically illiterate, LibDems are now a one policy party, Greens have some wacko policies. No contest.

@MayYouLiveInInterestingTimes

And very boring. As I said, we’ll see how well right wing policies are doing next year won’t we. Again.

What is this important date on the 2021 political calendar you speak of? By the way you don’t need to wait for next year, Nov 3rd will be a sufficient pre cursor to the political mood.

Was I prepared to vote for a party with a fantasy manifesto including free broadband, led by someone who would not act over those in his party who made anti-semitic comments? Could I ever again visit the graves or memorials to the Jewish side of my family if I did and be true to myself? I could not hence voting for one of the smaller parties.

Corbyn would have been a disaster.

Johnson is a disaster.

We had a choice between shit and poo at the last election.

But we do need a progressive government, and we need to stop the money flowing up to the few and start money being distributed to the many. We are a democracy after all.

The poor have been wrung out, and then indebted. They really can't give anymore.

Trickle down isn't working.

We need to redistribute the wealth.

Sweden has the same rate per 100000 as us roughly .

And yes I do blame Corbyn because there were a lot of floating voters and Labour voters who would never vote for him as leader . Plus he never even made it clear what he actually wanted pippin brexit except another vote .

I do believe he was the reason the tories got in .

We are where we are so what’s the point of the discussion.

I love how people try and justify voting for the tories by using Corbyn..... I wonder how many of those people actually looked at the policies of both parties.
Hilarious!

@PercyKirke

It always strikes me as odd that the "progressive" Labour party are always looking back (to Corbyn even sometimes Attlee) whereas the reactionary Tories never seem to do so, always talking about the country's future with only brief generalised references to the past.

Perhaps there's a lesson here for Labour?

Are you actually serious? Every time a skanky tory MP or minister is interviewed they relate back to Labour forgetting that they have ben in power in this country for over a decade. Forward looking? you are having a laugh aren't you?

@alphabetsoup1980

I love how people try and justify voting for the tories by using Corbyn..... I wonder how many of those people actually looked at the policies of both parties. Hilarious!

Lots of people looked at the policies for both parties. Lots of people also realised there aren't online two options. Why do Corbyn supporters always think those who didn't vote for them were ill-informed? Do they really think the vast majority of the country are just voting completely blind?

I'm at a loss as to how you can proclaim Corbyn to have been such a success for labour really, having lead the party to a defeat of epic proportions, losing labour strongholds in the process.

There were a lot of former labour voters who did not vote for labour purely because of him, as his ideologies were not in line with what the majority of voters wanted.

"Sweden managed a lower Covid death rate than its neighbouring countries without locking down, how is that not controlling it?"

That's not correct, in fact it's the opposite. Death rate in Sweden is ten times higher than neighbours Finland and Norway and five times higher than Denmark:
ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-deaths-per-million-exemplars?time=2020-02-22..latest&country=DNK~EST~NOR~SWE~FIN