Blaming Labour

[InsanityRocks]

Time and time again I see here that the only reason people voted for the tories was because 'anti-semite/terrorist/bad dresser Corbyn' AIBU to think that all these people voted for the racist/misogynist/self-serving Johnson knowing he is all these things as all his views come straight out his mouth, yet the anti Corbyn stuff is hearsay from the press/Russian bots/SM etc.

I don't think Corbyn would have made a good prime minister necessarily, he is too passionate, too idealistic. However, for all those saying he should have stepped down: he won more people to join the Labour Party than ever before, there was the beginning of a movement for change, real change. But members of Momentum joined to deliberately sabotage, along with the constant hum of how evil this man is, how dangerous from the right-wing big business and newspaper owners along with a growing feeling of mistrust manufactured by Russian social media destabilisation all conspired to make sure he failed.

We are all hating what is happening in this country now, but for the moment, the best way to tackle it is through socialism and inclusion. People seemed so scared of socialism, is it because it gets confused with communism? For covid and climate change and unemployment and mental health support and education and the NHS and all the other major issues that face us as a society at the moment, we need to work as a team, surely?

Jacinda Ardern is a socialist.

As well as the left wing coalition in Finland

@Gurufloof

Oh and corbyns UK wide government run internet just made me laugh. Like any single person would ever use it, want to pay for it via taxes, trust it. That particular idea was dire but so funny too. Only a lame brain could come up with it. And before I'm labelled a Tory, bojo is utterly insufferable and his non handling of the Cummings eye sight drive test was beyond the pale. I cannot understand why Cummings is still in his job.

It would have come in handy for poor families when their kids had to have online access to lessons during lockdown though, wouldn't it?

Digital exclusion is a very real thing for people on low incomes.

@rwalker

I blame them for unrealistic policies everything the want to do is fantastic but I can't see how we could ever afford to do it.

We might well have been able to afford the policies in the last Labour manifesto, after all this government seems to have access to unlimited amounts of money.

The Attlee government was in debt to its eyeballs and presided over the most transformational programme of social reform this country has ever seen. Tories are very good at finding lots of money to feather their mates’ nests.

I didn't have a vote (reasons) but would have voted for Boris because he was saying no to HS2.

That worked out as well then

@VinylDetective
We might well have been able to afford the policies in the last Labour manifesto, after all this government seems to have access to unlimited amounts of money.

Think you find they are borrowing unpresidented amounts of money plunging us into a level of debt as a country we have never had.
Good luck to the party left to sort it out and work out how to even start paying it back .

The Left should be winning the arguments. But they have been split by losing support from a lot of MC New Labour supporters who were a bit nervous at the possibility of a Labour Party that might actually subvert the status quo and were only too happy to cling to claims of anti-Semitism as an excuse to not vote for them. And at the same time that of many old school supporters who were peeved off by the seeming inability of the supposed workers party to even acknowledge that the immigration of desperate new workers into the mix had no downsides whatsoever.

Been a Labour voter all my life.

Don't know the man but I do know some people around him, and they are virutally all useless, not a clue how to run anything, and stuck firmly in Michael Foot land.

Momentum was a means of attempting to by-pass democracy. Labour was pro-Brexit. My local party told me I was wrong to support Blair and Brown.

Didn't, couldn't, and wouldn't vote for them in 2019.

No 1970s unions, no Thatcher.

No Corbyn, no Brexit.

No Corbyn, no COVID disaster.

He's got a lot to answer for to think about while he's tending his veg.

“Anti Corbyn stuff is Russian bots”.

No it isn’t- he was awful. I was a labour member for 14 years and left under his leadership.

You need to stop getting your news from The Canary and Novara Media - it’s utter claptrap.

Jeremy Corbyn managed to alienate the very people who should have voted for him. Ordinary people with no privilege - but they thought he would favour other nations above the UK, other people within the country apart from them, theory above practicalities. Mind you, he would have loved all this lockdown control!

Think you find they are borrowing unpresidented amounts of money plunging us into a level of debt as a country we have never had

I think you’ll find I know that but thank you for pointing it out. The point I was making is there’s always money if there’s the political will to spend it.

I am genuinely interested to know what all Labour supporters feel about your new leader.

Jeremy corban is old news and not to blame for the shite show we have now get your heads out of your arses people voted for boris for one reason to get brexit done if Labour had promised to deliver brexit they would have voted for them

It's very simple OP. No matter how appalling the prospect of yet another Tory government was, the prospect of a Labour one run by Momentum was even worse. By a landslide.

I was out knocking doors in my constituency in December and can confirm that neither Boris or Corbyn were remotely popular but that Boris was seen as slightly less bad. People were put off by the aggression of the Labour supporters, the unfocused manifesto (people didn’t object to money being spent but the manifesto was like an incoherent shopping list rather than an economic strategy) and the character of Corbyn himself. Above all, it was his reluctance to engage people who didn’t already think like him, and his failure to make a stand when it mattered. I don’t think many people thought he was anti-Semitic for example, but they noticed that he struggled to condemn or take firm action against anti-semitism that did undoubtedly occur.

Polling showed that he lost a lot of support after the Salisbury attacks and I think it was because people saw someone who wasn’t prepared to upset his natural supporters in the interests of the nation.

Personally I always found him bizarrely unenergetic and disinterested - precisely the opposite of what you want to see in someone hoping to replace the Prime Minister.

fliss444 I think Labour have a leader that is up for the job, he is highly intelligent has a brilliant background in understanding policy and I have been impressed by him in Parliament. He has been my choice for leader for some time

And he has gently pushed the left of the party back to where they belong

Because everything is so dominated by Covid at the moment he isn’t getting the public platform as he would in usual times which goes against Labour

He isn’t a great public speaker but he is highly intelligent and thoughtful that comes through.

Labour didn’t need a personality to vie with Boris Johnson we have had enough of cult politics in Labour in the last few years

people voted for boris for one reason to get brexit done if Labour had promised to deliver brexit they would have voted for them

Well, no.

Corbyn and his Labour Party were just as pro Brexit as Boris, so we would have had Brexit one way or the other.

@fliss444

I think Keir's got the talent and nous to be the next PM. He probably won't be, because Rishi Sunak or someone will take over from Johnson over the next few months.

I want to like Keir but for me he misreads the room too much. On brexit and now on demanding more Lockdown. He is still too London centric, pro remain, middle class and so are his advisers and do he gets it wrong. Labour should be anti lockdown a la Andy Burnham not pro more and stricter lockdown. He is getting this wrong imo.

Oh wow. The "air of a serial killer "! He really did have Tories rattled 😄. And labour right, for that matter.

When so called anti establishment, Johnny rotten.. Screams out a concert... Not... Fuck off boris Johnson but... Fuck you, Jeremy corybn.. Something has gone very awry.

When the Jewish community start pleading with the public not to vote for corybn and rabbis takeout natinal news ads to plead with us not to vote for jc, something has gone badly wrong.

When a natinal party who has gone so far left they meet the far right and get investigated for.... Anti semitism... Something has gone badly wrong. When the left leaning bbc starts to-do investigative programs about the anti semitism in the Labour Party..... Alarm bells should be wringing in the the tone deaf ears of jc cult followers...

When after everything else he cocked up etc but followers then blame the far right media! For his loss of the election its literally time for a sanity check.

Mokusspokus - I agree with your overall point that Corbyn failed. However, you are plainly incorrect when you say that Corbyn took the party so far left that it met far right. Either you are being disingenuous or you don't understand what far left means. You are also insulting those who have actually lived under a far left regime. Please check your language.

people voted for boris for one reason to get brexit done if Labour had promised to deliver brexit they would have voted for them
Ah no not true. Whatever happened with Brexit was always going to happen. I voted boris because at the time they promised a review of the GRA. And my priority is and always will be women. When Corbyn couldn't confidently state what a woman is (I.e adult human female) then i could not vote for him. It was going to be a libdem vote but they too could not tell what a woman is. So conservative got it.

@InsanityRocks

Time and time again I see here that the only reason people voted for the tories was because 'anti-semite/terrorist/bad dresser Corbyn' AIBU to think that all these people voted for the racist/misogynist/self-serving Johnson knowing he is all these things as all his views come straight out his mouth, yet the anti Corbyn stuff is hearsay from the press/Russian bots/SM etc.

I don't think Corbyn would have made a good prime minister necessarily, he is too passionate, too idealistic. However, for all those saying he should have stepped down: he won more people to join the Labour Party than ever before, there was the beginning of a movement for change, real change. But members of Momentum joined to deliberately sabotage, along with the constant hum of how evil this man is, how dangerous from the right-wing big business and newspaper owners along with a growing feeling of mistrust manufactured by Russian social media destabilisation all conspired to make sure he failed.

We are all hating what is happening in this country now, but for the moment, the best way to tackle it is through socialism and inclusion. People seemed so scared of socialism, is it because it gets confused with communism? For covid and climate change and unemployment and mental health support and education and the NHS and all the other major issues that face us as a society at the moment, we need to work as a team, surely?

Why would Russia be anti pro Russia Corbyn?

Even more so pro disarmament Corbyn?

Are you just trying to use Russia as a bogeyman?

"People seemed so scared of socialism, is it because it gets confused with communism"

Well yes communism lead to the deaths of some 60+million people and left large sections of the world in dictatorships to this day, marred in massive human rights abuses.

And Corbyn was a bit more towards communist than socialist. Socialist is kier/boris.

Boris is a socialist? you seriously just not only thought that but wrote it down?