To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?

[Anon778833]

There are still a few fringe types who think he’s going to get a landslide victory.

Personally I find this unlikely.

Any MNers from across the pond have a view more informed than myself?

• Trump will in going by - should say Trump will win

I think he most probably will be elected, nothing can turn his supporters against him at this point

Why would his supporters turn against him ? have Biden supporters or Clinton supporters turned against them? of course not.. like it or loathe it ... people vote for whoever best represents their needs .. maybe you need to question why people support him and not other parties. 🌺

@BlueThistles

Why would his supporters turn against him ? have Biden supporters or Clinton supporters turned against them? of course not.. like it or loathe it ... people vote for whoever best represents their needs .. maybe you need to question why people support him and not other parties. 🌺

I agree.

Unfortunately, I think he may win because of voter apathy when faced with long queues. COVID restrictions have made voting more difficult plus having difficulty in employing cleared 'invigilators' in some States.

States have different verification processes to check ID - fair enough, not everyone will have a Driver's Licence or passport - but leaves more open to fraud.

Funny that Trump has ranted on about being against postal votes (because he wants people to be put off by the queues) yet has registered one for himself.

If Trump does win again then the democrats only have themselves to blame.
In 2016 they fielded Clinton who had to many skeletons in her cupboard but acted like it was now her turn to be president and pretty much ignored the Midwest in favour of peaching to the converted with her California celebs. She never thought that Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin would not vote Democrat. She spent over$580 million on her campaign which is over $240 million more than Trump. She out spent him on both tv and internet advertising but she failed to campaign in what thought of as safe blue states. She did campaign for Florida but failed to hold it and along with losing the Midwest states she couldn’t get to the 270 needed.
Now 4 years later the best that the democrats can come up with is Biden. His campaign has been lack lustre in the extreme and he relies and campaigns on the fact that he is not Trump whilst flip flopping on other issues like fracking and China.

I have no idea who will win in November but I am bloody glad I am not an American and have to choose between these two. I am not a trump fan but do like the fact that he is the first American president in modern time who has managed not to get involved in any wars and after 19 years he wants to get out of Afghanistan so if I was American and had a vote to cast that might just be a reason I could hold my nose and vote for Trump.

People vote for a candidate not against another one.

@Proudboomer

If Trump does win again then the democrats only have themselves to blame. In 2016 they fielded Clinton who had to many skeletons in her cupboard but acted like it was now her turn to be president and pretty much ignored the Midwest in favour of peaching to the converted with her California celebs. She never thought that Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin would not vote Democrat. She spent over$580 million on her campaign which is over $240 million more than Trump. She out spent him on both tv and internet advertising but she failed to campaign in what thought of as safe blue states. She did campaign for Florida but failed to hold it and along with losing the Midwest states she couldn’t get to the 270 needed. Now 4 years later the best that the democrats can come up with is Biden. His campaign has been lack lustre in the extreme and he relies and campaigns on the fact that he is not Trump whilst flip flopping on other issues like fracking and China.

I have no idea who will win in November but I am bloody glad I am not an American and have to choose between these two. I am not a trump fan but do like the fact that he is the first American president in modern time who has managed not to get involved in any wars and after 19 years he wants to get out of Afghanistan so if I was American and had a vote to cast that might just be a reason I could hold my nose and vote for Trump.

I agree. Clinton did nothing except spend money on celebs and just assume she'd win in the usual blue states. It was embarrassing. Biden has had Cardi-B interview him, say no more.

Biden will win by a landslide no doubt about it. Trump has disgusted enough Republicans to swing them over to the left. I also predict Trump and at least two of his kids in jail within 18 months. I can't fucking wait!

I watched that cardi b interview and cringed on behalf of all American voters.
I often wonder who comes up with these stunts as any one with half a working brain cell would relies that that would be a cringe fest even if cardi had managed to talk for the whole 3 minutes without making that stupid trill sound.

@shamalidacdak - I do hope you're right!

Plus what about his personal business loans that are due to be paid back in addition to claims he's got a Chinese bank account - surely there's something about a President must be reasonably debt free - ring, ring Hi there Putin; you hunky beast, got a teeny problem with loans coming in. Considering how you helped me last time, any chance of a bail out?

Right now I think Biden will win but I'm deeply worried that he won't. I hope and believe Sakura and HoldmyLobster are right.

In 2016 the first increased premiums for Obamacare hit middle class households about 4 months prior to the election. I am certain the Republicans in the Houses planned it that way by dragging out the process. I was on FB groups with Masters-educated healthcare professionals - women - who were all going to vote Trump because of those bills and because they were being 'made to' pay for healthcare for other people. That factor isn't there now, though there has been the protests and riots. I feel from outside the US it is impossible to know how much the riot coverage was ramped up for electoral purposes. Clinton was also a bad idea as a candidate because there was an irreconcilable group who loathed her, yes often due to misogyny.

I would have said until Covid that Trump would be reelected but I do think now that he will lose.

I think he will win. All the people horrified at his behaviour were never going to vote for him anyway.The rest either agree with him or believe that it's all fake news.

My DH has an interest that seems to mean his FB feed is full of right wing Americans (which he has recently taken steps to clean up!) and the views expressed are truly shocking on things as diverse as George Floyd and Covid, they agree with Trump and/or think he is treated appallingly and misrepresented by the media.

The Americans we see on TV seem to be intelligent and reasonable but that doesn't seem to be the case for the average American.

Trump can't really lose, forget about the names on the Ballot voters have a choice of Capitalism v Socialism. Thankfully a majority of Americans want capitalism so it will win.
In the same way a football fan would rather watch their least favourite football team than watch a different sport altogether a capitalist will not vote for socialism. 50 Cent summed it up perfectly when he said I'm voting Trump because I don't want to become 20 Cent.

I am sure anyone paying attention will know that most states are solidly RED (Republican) or BLUE (Democrat). We are on the West Coast (California, Oregon and Washington) which are a solid blue wall. So my husband voted for Biden and so did my 18 yr old but you can probably just throw their votes on an enormous blue pile. Their votes aren't going to make the ultimate difference. (I am a Green Card holder so can't vote.)

It's the states that swing blue or red that decide the election, and it can come down to a few thousand key voters in specific districts who wins the Presidency. That's how Trump won last time, by capturing small margins in key states that usually go blue. Just as Boris encouraged white working class Northern voters to switch to the Conservatives. It was the same demographic which won it for Trump in 2016 > Especially those worried about dying towns with no jobs and status anxiety due to demographic change.

However since 2016 5 million of his elderly voters have died and Biden has acquired a much larger younger voting population in key states. At the moment the impression is Biden will win it, but noone is taking any chances and so there seems to be a high voter turn out.

My husband was saying he hopes it's a landslide for Biden so we don't have to endure as a country Trump and the Republicans fighting every mail-in vote in court and dragging the election result out for weeks.

P.S. they both voted for Bernie in our State Primary.

I thought there was no way he'd get elected last time.

I am originally from a swing state and my entire family is happily voting Trump. So while anecdotes don’t mean much, from my POV, I think Trump is going to win.

I’m also an overseas American and really think this sentiment is appalling:

It such a sad, sad state of being in USA now. I say this as an anerican abroad. Almost all my family, previously democrats and charitable people, are now gun toting trump supporters. They go to rallies, donate and spread false news. We can’t talk anymore because it’s all they’re about. The family are in more than one state too. I really fear for what’s going to happen there

Families should be able to weather political differences. I hate hearing that close friends and families cut each other off for differences in opinion.

Families should be able to weather political differences. I hate hearing that close friends and families cut each other off for differences in opinion.

I generally agree with this but if there is a fundamental disconnect in values, rather than more subtle differences in opinion, then I can’t see how you could be a cohesive family.

It’s one thing to disagree with how to control immigration, it’s another entirely to want all immigrants to leave and be kept out by a wall.

Being brought up in a more left-wing environment, embracing that as does your entire family, and the dealing with a sudden volte-face would be very difficult and it’s disingenuous not to see or acknowledge the distinction.

I think he might win , though I really hope not.

I disagree about Hilary Clinton and tthink she is was a much better candidate than Biden but that is irrelevant now really

A few months ago I thought Trump would win now not so sure

My family and friends in the states are not that confident

Problem is you may get people voting to keep Trump out of office but will enough want to vote to get Biden in the White House

Trump supporters will absolutely vote those that are are not so taken by Biden will they feel strongly enough to vote

What a poor choice of democrat leader but still the far better choice (imo)

I would put money on him being re elected!
:( people say one thing and do the other when it comes to voting in secret.

It’s one thing to disagree with how to control immigration, it’s another entirely to want all immigrants to leave and be kept out by a wall

Ok, it’s this sort of stuff.

I don’t have an issue with the wall (I actually think it’s a waste of money though since the border is ridiculously long) but just because you want a wall on the border doesn’t mean you want ‘all immigrants to leave’.

But the US just can’t let illegal immigrants stay, they really do hurt blue collar workers by suppressing wages. And both Democrats and Republicans have been guilty of turning a blind eye to this problem.

I think people conveniently forget that Clinton expanded the wall (or fence) and this was a very popular move with both Democrats and Republicans to help prevent drug trafficking and illegal immigration it wasn’t just about drug trafficking

I think people conveniently forget that Clinton expanded the wall (or fence) and this was a very popular move with both Democrats and Republicans to help prevent drug trafficking and illegal immigration it wasn’t just about drug trafficking

If you listen to Bill Clinton’s speeches from those days, you can see how much the rhetoric from Democrats have changed. He had no problem calling illegal immigrants...illegal. It was actually refreshingly direct and I wish Democrats still spoke like this.

After all, they were the class of the blue collar worker, they should have been the ones looking after those interests.

Well now the chickens have come home to roost, as they say.