To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?

[Anon778833]

There are still a few fringe types who think he’s going to get a landslide victory.

Personally I find this unlikely.

Any MNers from across the pond have a view more informed than myself?

I believe he will win though for real. It's just so surreal

@MordredsOrrery

As much as I loathe the idea, I think he will be reelected. Partly because of the 'better the devil you know' factor, and partly because he's doing everything in his power to reduce voting opportunities in areas where Democrat support is higher.

Sadly I too think he will win and maybe by more that 2016 when it was close. The problem for the Democrats is that they don't have a particularly charismatic candidate and for many Americans, not on this site obviously, but having a female VP is unacceptable. I recall Sarah Palin being very unpopular when she ran for VP. The thing that I find interesting is who will the Republicans put up in 2024? I can't think of a Democrat for 2024, even if Biden wins he may not want a second term at his age.

[quote Parker231]@PathThreeTwoOne - why?

I’m amazed that anyone would want him as their President.[/quote]
As a foreigner, let me tell you, we don't get why you elected BJ .

Honestly. I think it’s too close to call and there is a chance he will. There might just be enough Americans out there willing to vote him in again. I’d not pay attention to the polls.

‘As a foreigner, let me tell you, we don't get why you elected BJ grin‘ Well, most people voted against Corbyn so BJ was the lesser of two evils.

I am expecting him to win. Anything less is a bonus.

I think he’ll win.

A voter asked Biden a question, something about unions & was not offensive, Biden told him he was full of shit, said he wanted to go outside with him & went to put his hands round his throat.

It’s on YouTube.

His aide tried to move him on and he told her to shush.

I haven't really been following much, but he's innocuous really on the world stage. More a sort of caricature than a real life person, let alone a president. He has done me no harm, then again, I'm not a Mexican child trying to make it in America. I'd personally probably be utterly sick to death of him talking about how great he is, but I ain't American. I personally believe he's a loathable critter, but we have BJ (and my relatives outside of the US or UK bunch them both together), so I'm no one to criticise.

@blueangel19

‘As a foreigner, let me tell you, we don't get why you elected BJ grin‘ Well, most people voted against Corbyn so BJ was the lesser of two evils.

Again i expect that was the reason a lot of Republicans voted for Trump last time, the lesser of two evils.

Just goes to show how difficult it is for us not living either in uk or us to understand what will get someone elected.

Frankly I despaired when trump got elected, if he is reelected this time round, i think us gets what they asked for.

As an aside, can anyone explain how you get that orange skin tone?

I think he will win.

There are a lot of shy "Trumpers" who won't admit it to a pollster, but when they are actually voting, and nobody can see.....

I think it's going to be very close, so close that Trump will cry voter fraud, push a legal challenge and his now majority conservative supreme court will call it for Trump. I'm currently in the US, but I'm a Brit so can't vote. But the voter suppression thing is a very real threat too, mostly in majority black and poor neighbourhoods. It does make me despair of the democratic process in this country if, as what many think will happen, a court (mostly hand picked by the incumbent) decides he has won the election! I really hope there is a wide margin of support for Biden.

@Parker231

Honest answer? I would likely vote for him over Biden based on what I know now, yet at the beginning of the year I would of said the opposite. The stuff that I’ve seen coming from the left this year is shocking and simply put, I could never vote for a party that tries to intimidate, belittle and silence others into voting for them.

As for why I think he’s got a great chance of winning in general is simple. Look at his rallies, the pages that support him, how his supporters talk of him. He won 46.4% of the votes compared to Hillary’s 48.5% in 2016. Due to the above I don’t believe he would of lost many voters who backed him in that election yet he’s certainly gained more supporters since then. Therfore, unless a big majority of usual non voters are going to show up this time around and them mainly vote for Biden, I believe his chances are good.

I certainly don’t understand why so many are completely against Trump whilst being willfully blind to Biden and the democrats. Hate for one doesn’t excuse ignorance for the other.

i expect him to win. I hope he doesn't, but im pretty certain he will.

all PathThreeTwoOne You are right. I could not agree more with you.

I’m expecting him to be re-elected which is very depressing.

@PathThreeTwoOne voter intimidation is happening from Trump supporters. If either side is trying to suppress votes, it’s very clearly the Republicans and it’s frightening. How on earth can you argue that you would vote for them on the grounds that the left are trying to silence voters? Look at what happened with the USPS, with Trump refusing to say he will go peacefully, the encouragement to his supporters to use force to stop voting, his attempt to discredit postal votes...it goes on and is truly terrifying.

TheNinny, there is a strong argument that Comey of the FBI saying he was reopening the FBI investigation into Clinton’s emails just a couple of weeks before the election that lost her significant votes and the Elden . 2 days before the election Comey said nothing was found but it was too late to change opinion.

I pray and hope Trump will not win but it’s looking close (am not an American). As others have said if Biden wins but it is close Trump will contest it causing more chaos and strife. Also as others have said Trump being elected affects us all due to his refusal to take climate change seriously. Also Trump winning boosts the confidence of far right parties across the world weakening liberal democracy further. Awful times.

I don't think he will but I don't think it matters now for the long term.

I think the Democrats have made a huge mistake in making this a referendum on Trump and basically putting up a beige wall against him running on a platform of not being Trump.

So even if Biden wins I think his presidency is set for disaster as the Democrats seem to be completely fractured on every issue bar hating Trump. Once that common enemy is gone they're looking at an ineffective administration pulling in different directions.

The potential for Trump to steal the election by discounting huge swathes of votes is a very real and terrifying scenario also

The thing that I find interesting is who will the Republicans put up in 2024?

Trump at his rallies has said he wants to run beyond 2 terms although America is a two term Presidential system only. It amazes me that Trump supporters seem to have no problem with him making such comments.

Aren’t there reports of employees having their pay withheld if they didn’t attend Trump events and people being paid to attend. Personally I think the events should have been banned for both parties due to Covid risks.

@blueangel19

‘As a foreigner, let me tell you, we don't get why you elected BJ grin‘ Well, most people voted against Corbyn so BJ was the lesser of two evils.

Lol! that turned out well!

@paththreetwoone I'd be interested to know what sources you have for saying that the left are intimidating voters? What stuff have you seen coming from the left? Truly interested as I have not seen or heard anything like this .. not trying to be goady but if your source is mainly Facebook or Fox news I would take it with a pinch of salt. As a pp said there has been evidence of the Trump administration trying to suppress voters through pressure on USPS. But how is the left trying to coerce people into voting for them? How would belittling voters make them vote for the left? I don't get it?

First of all, OP, go outside and spin around three times and spit! Or throw salt over your shoulder. Or something!

Due to the above I don’t believe he would of lost many voters who backed him in that election yet he’s certainly gained more supporters since then. Therfore, unless a big majority of usual non voters are going to show up this time around and them mainly vote for Biden, I believe his chances are good.

As for this, you're not completely wrong. Trump has a low ceiling (rarely has over 43% approval) but has a super high floor (rarely polls below about 38%). Basically, those who love him love him and are unshakable, no matter what he does or says. He can insult them, and they won't leave.

Now, only about 55% of the voting age population voted in 2016. That leaves a huge margin of those who didn't vote. The numbers coming out this election cycle are insane. In many precincts, more people have voted early this year than voted at all in 2016. Which direction they're voting is less clear, but they're estimating this will have the highest turnout in over a century.

But the electoral college means that the Democrats have to win by a giant margin to win the election. Remember that Hillary won the popular vote by nearly 3 million; Donald Trump won the electoral college by about 80,000 people spread between three states. (That's basically Wembley, divided between three large states.) To get a rough sense of the effect, you usually have to subtract 3-4 points from the national average.

The key is how he's polling in swing states. Biden has a good lead in PA, MI, and WI, all of which Hillary lost. Florida is super close.

Anyway, OP, do something to break the curse!

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