To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?

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There are still a few fringe types who think he’s going to get a landslide victory.

Personally I find this unlikely.

Any MNers from across the pond have a view more informed than myself?

They live in a huge house and she didn’t move in for the first six months anyway didn’t she?

Sorry, can't quite let this go. It flies too far in the face of reality.

BelleHathor
they're suing as under Pennsylvania law they should have been allowed to observe. They apparently have 50 people who have signed affidavits stating that they were prevented from doing so.

They have affidavits from fifty people who were not allowed into a counting station in join the Republican observers who were already there.

There were about twice as many as required by law already present, and more Republicans than Democrats and independent observers put together, in most stations.

There are sign-in books with the signatures of all the legitimate observers who had gone it, available for the entire time that counting was and is taking place, so it's going to be a bit hard to prove observers were not admitted unless people are prepared to lie on oath and claim their signatures were forged.

Trump’s latest Twitter post. There is also a petition to recount the whole election votes!

STOCK MARKET UP BIG, VACCINE COMING SOON. REPORT 90% EFFECTIVE. SUCH GREAT NEWS!

If they have an interminable recount, Trump and Pence have to go on 20th January and Pelosi becomes President.

The Stock market has gone up because of the positive news about Biden.

If I was being charitable OP I would say your dp is under a lot of stress obviously at the moment, but then again so are you im sure and you arnt coming out with nazi nonsense. I dont want to be one of those who stalks mumsnet demanding everybody leaves their relationship but at the same time you shouldnt have to see a relationship as an investment which you cling onto through the bad times because there was some good before. If you arnt happy with it then leave, theres really nothing to gain by staying.

What else is he going to be completely irrational about? and if he sees Trump's behaviour as that of a decent person then thats just a scary person to raise a child with.

STOCK MARKET UP BIG

Of course it is, you numbnuts - normality is returning to the world.

@user1471565182 I know it's horrible tbh. I find some of his views abhorrent. There's always this feeling that if I don't agree with him I could get replaced with someone else & it's upsetting. Especially when I do 90% of the childcare.

wheres he getting it from? online or at work? If hes into that redpill bullshit it wont be getting any better. I honestly dont know what to suggest, its become a huge problem especially amongst men- basically huge groups of them revelling in victimhood.

Also something about having children seems to set off a twat switch in a lot of men.

Online. He spends all his time reading conspiracy websites.

@Parker231

Great news that Biden will sign the US back up to the Paris climate change agreement and restore funding to the World Health Organisation.

WHO failed miserably in the pandemic, I doubt they learned anything. Paris Climate treaty ultimately doesn’t matter, it’s not binding so signatories can pretty much do what they want. It’s much ado about nothing and will be business as usually (a good thing, imo)

And if Biden was going to rig it might he not have done so in states that called for Trump that declared much earlier on?

Going to put on my tinfoil hat here.

This election has been crazy in many ways. Trump was getting unprecedented levels of minority support (remember, he overperformed in all demographics except for white males) and it seemed like an easy win on election night. I don’t think anyone expected that.

So FOX news calls Arizona prematurely and counting stops for the night.

Except, it didn’t. Ballots with a shady chain of custody arrive in the dead of night in the ‘blue wall’ states. It seems that many of these ballots have some statistical issues, the most glaring of them (I’ve heard half a million) only marked for the presidential race, which makes absolutely no sense. Usually a small amount of ballots will have that, but in this case, it’s more than the usual amount.

Arguments have gone that people are only interested in the top race, but that’s really an extreme minority in past elections. It would be interesting once the counts are finished (and before audits) how they compare to similar states like Ohio.

My view is that if you need to stuff ballots (and know how many you need because of Election Day), you are most efficient in marking just the top. They didn’t mark the down ballot because they had a lot of ground to make up.

That would account for the discrepancy. Why is the down ballot a ‘red wave’? Because they didn’t have time to fix that for the Dems when they had a 700,000 vote gap in Pennsylvania alone.

People then wake up on Wednesday with these incredible results for Biden, which seems fishy.
They need to audit these results so that people can have a sense of trust in future elections.

That trust has totally eroded for 70+ million Trump voters and it’s a very dangerous place to be, regardless your political affiliation. You have to have trust in the people processing and counting your votes.

Fun trivia fact: many believe that Nixon was robbed of the 1960 election, particularly that the corrupt Chicago machine stole Illinois from him. No definitive answer on whether this was true, but in the end, Nixon didn’t pursue it.

Gore did fight, but relented in the end.

I don’t see a problem with doing audits and looking more closely at the mail-in ballots, you do need people to trust the process.

Trump has lost and he knows it.

The only reason he is carrying on with this is to screw money out of his stupid supporters.

It’s his personality. Doesn’t get what he wants and it’s a fix, fake, lies, they are out to get him. How tiresome.

Trump’s Twitter posts are getting worse - he has totally lost it!

Trump and his campaign are free to present whatever evidence they have in relation to voter fraud, in court.

This far, they haven’t presented anything. Not A THING.

According to Heather Cox Richardson on FB, they’re not even trying to win these lawsuits. They’re not bothering to even fill out the correct paperwork.

This isn’t about righting a wrong. It’s - as is obvious to most people - about stoking the narrative of an unfair election.

And of course, the Trumpies are lapping it up.

you do need people to trust the process.

That’s right, you absolutely do.

And who’s doing their utmost to undermine that, without a shred of evidence?

@MerchantOfVenom

you do need people to trust the process.

That’s right, you absolutely do.

And who’s doing their utmost to undermine that, without a shred of evidence?

Then why not do the audits? If you are confident there’s no widespread fraud, then allow the recounts and, more importantly, audits to regain trust.

You can’t just scream ‘trust us’ and expect people to listen to you. Those votes need to be audited.

I’m quite curious about the down ballot discrepancies myself, there’s just no good explanation for it.

I see we're back to 'If you repeat a life often enough people will start to believe it.'

Re the 'counting stopped' myth, from www.newsguardtech.com/top-election-myths/#stopvotecount

MYTH: Ballot counting was suddenly shut down on Election Night in swing states including Michigan, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Nevada, and Arizona, so that election officials could alter ballots to ensure that they went to former Vice President Joe Biden.

THE FACTS:

Approximately 90 minutes after polls closed in Arizona, Fox News called the state for former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden. There is no evidence that counting suspiciously stopped after polls closed in the state.

Although many swing states did not finish counting ballots on Election Night, with some pausing their counts, there is no evidence that ballot counting in any swing state was shut down, or that states paused their counting to spend time ensuring that ballots went to Biden.

Ballot counting stopped in North Carolina on Election Night “because there were no more votes to count at that time,” North Carolina State Board of Elections Executive Director Karen Brinson Bell said at a press conference on Nov. 4, 2020.

As of Nov. 4, 2020, there were 116, 200 absentee ballots that had been requested, but had not yet been received by the North Carolina State Board of Elections, according to the board’s website. Absentee ballots that are received by Nov. 12 will still be counted, according to the Board of Elections.

Some counties in other swing states did pause their ballot counts on Election Night. For example, Fulton County, Georgia, suspended its absentee ballot count for four hours after a pipe burst where the count was taking place, according to multiple press reports.

Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, suspended its mail-in voter count overnight on Nov. 3, 2020, to give workers time to rest, according to KDKA-TV, a CBS affiliate station in Pittsburgh.

Then why not do the audits? If you are confident there’s no widespread fraud, then allow the recounts and, more importantly, audits to regain trust.

38 states already have audit processes in place, including Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Georgia.

What is it about these audits that doesn't seem adequate?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-us-2020-54724960

This summaries some of the legal action Trump has taken (so far). He doesn’t seem to be successful anywhere.

I have a serious question.

If it is true that the Democrats rigged the vote against Trump,

why did they not rig the votes on the same ballot papers in order to get rid of Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, Susan Collins, and other Senators whose absence would have meant the Senate became Democrat-dominated?

If the vote was rigged in Georgia, how come there has to be a Senate run-off instead of there now being two Democrat Senators for Georgia?

@AskingQuestionsAllTheTime

I have a serious question.

If it is true that the Democrats rigged the vote against Trump,

why did they not rig the votes on the same ballot papers in order to get rid of Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, Susan Collins, and other Senators whose absence would have meant the Senate became Democrat-dominated?

If the vote was rigged in Georgia, how come there has to be a Senate run-off instead of there now being two Democrat Senators for Georgia?

There's a conspiracy theory up above about that.

'Apparently' votes stopped being counted in the middle of the night while lots of fake ballots were brought in.

There will be lots of 'I've heard' and 'It seems' and 'You'll be reading a lot about that'.

There will be threads on Twitter, and many more on Parler.

There will be lots of Youtube videos.

The OP (and I'm sorry you're going through this) will find her husband is even more glued to his screen.

It's all about sowing seeds of doubt.