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To think that Trump is not going to get re-elected?

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Anon778833 · 23/10/2020 20:27

There are still a few fringe types who think he’s going to get a landslide victory.

Personally I find this unlikely.

Any MNers from across the pond have a view more informed than myself?

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Sakura7 · 23/10/2020 23:06

Hillary was a more divisive figure than Biden (unfair as I think that is) and she took some 'safe' blue states for granted. Trump won three of these Rust Belt states by a whisker (less than 1% in each case) and it won him the election. There's no way he holds them this time.

In 2016 he was something different. In 2020 he has to stand on his record. Only his core base support him now. Most people are utterly fed up with him.

I can understand people being cautious after 2016, but this is a different election and I would be amazed if Biden doesn't win.

HateIsNotGood · 23/10/2020 23:09

How much does it really matter for the UK though; the worst scenario has already happened once GW and Blair got together, prayed and 'found' some fictitious Iraqi WMD.

Many years later a Teacher in France is beheaded by a Student for teaching Liberté, égalité, fraternité.

We've got plenty of our own shit to deal with, I'll leave it to the US people to deal with theirs.

HooverWhenTheCoastIsClear · 23/10/2020 23:12

@blueangel19

all HooverWhenTheCoastIsClear exactly that is why there are so many silent voters for Trump. It is also a problem with the left. If anybody have different views they turn to insults.
Totally agree. The left can't handle other opinions and will literally stand screaming over the top of people. I believe in personal accountability and the radical left it seems don't.
Oliversmumsarmy · 23/10/2020 23:13

Who knows who will win.

If you look at Kirstie Alley who stuck her head above the parapet and came out in support of Trump and immediately got beaten down for it. You wonder how many people are Trump supporters but don’t say anything because of the back lash which then skews the polls.

Boopear · 23/10/2020 23:15

But a huge majority of polls are online. Have a look- the methods are shown in the poll data. Where is the 'sticking the head over the
parapet' argument in that?

raddledoldmisanthropist · 23/10/2020 23:16

the worst scenario has already happened once

Boris Johnson: 'hold my beer'.

acerred · 23/10/2020 23:18

I hope he won't but I think he will.

Nancydrawn · 23/10/2020 23:18

@Fluffycloudland77

I think he’ll win.

A voter asked Biden a question, something about unions & was not offensive, Biden told him he was full of shit, said he wanted to go outside with him & went to put his hands round his throat.

It’s on YouTube.

His aide tried to move him on and he told her to shush.

This is very wrong. The guy said that Biden was trying to destroy the Second Amendment. (It was at a union event but the question had nothing to do with unions.) He didn't try to put his hands around his throat. Biden did say the guy was full of shit. That's entirely true. And he gesticulated, but there was nothing close to strangling.

Not his finest moment.

This might be, though:

vimeo.com/470534331

He's comforting a young man whose dad died at Parkland, at an event hosted by Gabby Giffords. For both Biden and Obama, guns like the AK-15 are intensely personal. Neither of them really got over Sandy Hook (or Gabby, or Aurora, or Charleston). The video is 24 seconds long. It's worth a watch.

acerred · 23/10/2020 23:19

@KihoBebiluPute

I think you are making the mistake of assuming that the majority of American voters are rational, intelligent and well-informed.
The same can be said about voters in Britain
HoldMyLobster · 23/10/2020 23:20

What's the saying? Opinions are like arseholes. Everyone's got one and no one wants to see yours.

I don't think he'll win but I'm just another arsehole with an opinion.

I can tell you how the 4 Americans in my house voted if that helps, but... you know... it probably doesn't.

HoldMyLobster · 23/10/2020 23:30

@Sakura7

Hillary was a more divisive figure than Biden (unfair as I think that is) and she took some 'safe' blue states for granted. Trump won three of these Rust Belt states by a whisker (less than 1% in each case) and it won him the election. There's no way he holds them this time.

In 2016 he was something different. In 2020 he has to stand on his record. Only his core base support him now. Most people are utterly fed up with him.

I can understand people being cautious after 2016, but this is a different election and I would be amazed if Biden doesn't win.

Yes!

I've been following the election closely, I've voted, I've talked to a lot of other voters who voted Trump last time, and this is a really good summary of what I think too.

Nandocushion · 23/10/2020 23:31

I think there's no question Biden will win, but that's not really the point as the Rs are going to go all out with recounts, lawsuits etc afterwards, anything not to have to give up power, and having packed the SC now there's a decent chance they'll get away with it.

Sakura7 · 23/10/2020 23:32

Lets hope we're right! @HoldMyLobster

caringcarer · 23/10/2020 23:33

I don't like Biden he is as left wing as Corbyn was. Not particularly keen on Trump either. Why do they have such poor candidates? At least Trump has a grasp of the economy which was strong before Covid. He hasn't got a grasp on Covid though. Trump is first US president for ages who has not sent in troops to another country. Obama had a poor record for this. The US is not blessed with good candidates. They are always OAP's too.

Sakura7 · 23/10/2020 23:35

I don't like Biden he is as left wing as Corbyn was.

You can't actually be serious here?

SMCR65 · 23/10/2020 23:42

I live in the Northwest USA and have a very bad feeling that he will win. Lots of people will only vote republican no matter who is on the ticket. Friends have told us they dislike Trump but will still vote for him. I think this applies all over the USA.

Not sure I can bear to watch the results come in after election. Results night 2016 was very upsetting. I find it so stressful now that I have stopped following the election. I truly hope I am wrong.

HoldMyLobster · 24/10/2020 00:39

"At the moment, if the polls in every state were wrong in the exact same way as they were in 2016 — Biden still wins the presidency with over 300 electoral votes."

From www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/10/23/electoral-map-is-very-weird-right-now/

PastMyBestBeforeDate · 24/10/2020 00:51

I said before the last US election that the US would vote for a man, any man, rather than a woman.
I wouldn't like to call this one.

letsgoheyho · 24/10/2020 00:52

Most MN’ers are left wing so they will say Biden but I think Trump will win again.

HooverWhenTheCoastIsClear · 24/10/2020 01:01

@PastMyBestBeforeDate

I said before the last US election that the US would vote for a man, any man, rather than a woman. I wouldn't like to call this one.
Nonsense. Problem with Clinton was she relied so heavily on the fact she was a woman but I don't recall any of her policies only that she hated Trump, liked Beyonce and deleted emails.
AdoreTheBeach · 24/10/2020 01:03

Very sadly, it’s no small group that supports him. You would be so very surprised at how many in the states do.

Outside of USA, it seems people cannot believe he would be re-elected.

However, there is a large Trump following and sadly they don’t believe any of the things he is known to have fine it said. They think it’s all false news.

More and more people are getting guns now. They don’t want control of their guns as they view it necessity to protect themselves, especially with the propaganda to defund the police.

Then there are the riots which sadly middle America are now in fear so they’ll vote for trump.

There is this crazy idea that a national health service is socialism which the common American perceive as communist. Yet most don’t have health insurance.

It such a sad, sad state of being in USA now. I say this as an anerican abroad. Almost all my family, previously democrats and charitable people, are now gun toting trump supporters. They go to rallies, donate and spread false news. We can’t talk anymore because it’s all they’re about. The family are in more than one state too. I really fear for what’s going to happen there.

BritWifeinUSA · 24/10/2020 01:05

We have already voted in this household!

BlueThistles · 24/10/2020 01:09

He will Win again 🌺

IJumpedAboardAPirateShip · 24/10/2020 01:29

@AdoreTheBeach I’m so sorry, that must be really hard. I’m a Brit in the US and have a lot of friends who have had to cut off family for similar reasons, all done with a very heavy heart

tobee · 24/10/2020 01:31

@blueangel19

all HooverWhenTheCoastIsClear exactly that is why there are so many silent voters for Trump. It is also a problem with the left. If anybody have different views they turn to insults.

I think this is overstated. It's just a handy excuse to use for the way people vote. Same with those who voted Tory. Basically people blaming everyone else for their own electoral choices. Hmm

I think (or hope) that "the left wing on here" are actually saying Trump will in going by this thread, by the way, is more about superstition, caused by fear. I don't think what happened with Clinton- Trump in the run up to 2016 has much bearing this time.

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