'the norht' might be regretting voting tory

[coffeelover3]

just cant help thinking how did so many people get sucked into tory propaganda this time last year. It's terrible what's happening - the corruption and nepotism, what with Dido Harding and test and trace receiving billions, for what. But at the back of my mind all the time is that this is who the british people voted for - massive tory majority. Wonder if the 'red wall' regret turning blue...

[missmoz]

I am from the North, am genuinely curious as to what benefits your friends and families are experiencing after voting Tory peachescariad

[Xenia]

There are loads of benefits. Remember Corbyn wanted a tax on family homes, much higher tax rates, all kinds of weird and very left wing things.

[Devlesko]

I'm in the NW don't know anyone who voted Tory and those that did aren't hiding the fact.
Your title is incorrect the norht or even the North didn't vote Tory, individuals did from all over the country.

[user1471565182]

This narrative is nonsense. Usual labour voters just didnt vote at all rather than all going over.

[ThePlantsitter]

I'm not blaming the North. Every Corona 'response' that is fucked up by this government, every evil act perpetrated by this government, every corrupt deal made by this government (that we'll know of in our lifetimes), every self-serving exception to the law made by this government I am blaming on the individuals who voted for this Tory government. You know who you are. This is your fault. You have broken our country.

[ReggieCat]

'The North' didn't vote Tory. Admittedly a lot of people did, but not all of us.

Not sure about the 'norht' though.

[missmoz]

Xenia, I remember those 'weird and very left things', higher tax for those earning over £80,000, which is certainly not the majority of people where I'm from, and definitley not the people that are worried about how they're going to feed their kids during the holidays in the middle of an economic crisis.

I agree with Devlesko, those that did are hiding it because at this point it's shameful.

[Vello]

@Pepperwort

I am loving the anti-Corbynite contradictions. “He wouldn’t even follow the rules” ; “the left are too authoritarian and statist”. “He was too extreme; so I voted for Johnson’s version of Tory”.

Yeah. We really need to get out of this one-dimensional oppositional mindset. It’s too simple. The constant baying for scapegoats is annoying too.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but not only did I vote Labour, I voted for Corbyn in the leadership election.

I still think Labour are instinctively statist and authoritarian. I don't think they are Stalinists! Just more statist than I would like. There isn't a party that 100% aligns with all my views, and I think that's probably true for most people.

There are left wing positions that are not statist.

[annabel85]

The cities generally didn't vote Tory (Liverpool/Manchester/Newcastle etc all very safe Labour).

The towns in particular (and bearing in mind the demographics are a lot older on average) voted Tory to 'get Brexit done'. THey'd have voted for anyone who pledged that.

[VinylDetective]

@missmoz

Xenia, I remember those 'weird and very left things', higher tax for those earning over £80,000, which is certainly not the majority of people where I'm from, and definitley not the people that are worried about how they're going to feed their kids during the holidays in the middle of an economic crisis.

I agree with Devlesko, those that did are hiding it because at this point it's shameful.

I do too. And once the day of reckoning comes and the shambles we’re in has to be paid for, those “loony left” taxation polices will look positively benign by comparison.

[Goosefoot]

@whatkatydid2013

I’m in the north and voted labour only because it kept our incumbent, fairly competent and generally moderate MP. Also while I don’t like Corbyn particularly and I don’t agree with some of his policies the idea he’s worse than Boris Johnson is laughable to me. Boris is a proven liar and an awful human being. He really doesn’t give a monkeys about anything or anyone but himself and he behaves as if everything is a game. Virtually anyone would have been better equipped to lead the U.K. through the current crisis.
The north mostly didn’t massively swing to Conservative though. Most people I know with a Conservative MP had the Conservative candidate pick up a few votes vs last time from UKIP and loads of people who usually vote Labour switched to an independent or Lib Dem. The former local MPs have a lot to answer for. My parents are in Durham and they felt their former MP Laura Pidcock was atrocious at actually representing her constituents and only interested in her own career.

People often talk about the national scene and the cabinet, because it can be difficult to generalise about local candidates who can vary in quality a lot.
But Labour candidates have been tending to be chosen less at the grassroots level and more to be in line with what the central part of the party wants, which is why there were local longtime union type candidates being replaced by young, often non-local, recent university grads who are interested mainly in things like diversity and identity politics.
At a local level that kind of thing is deadly. A party based on being in touch with the people can't lose the connection to the people and remain viable, they see it, quite rightly, as an insult.

[HOkieCOkie]

Im not regretting it, could you honestly imagine what life would be like how if that moron Corbyn was in charge???

[PhilSwagielka]

@Xenia

There are loads of benefits. Remember Corbyn wanted a tax on family homes, much higher tax rates, all kinds of weird and very left wing things.

Like you need to worry about money.

I voted Labour and I live in Manchester, which is in the north. I hate Corbyn but I would have rather had him than Johnson. I am well aware that being a Jew who voted Labour makes me a traitor in the eyes of a lot of people on here, but I have my reasons.

[VinylDetective]

@HOkieCOkie

Im not regretting it, could you honestly imagine what life would be like how if that moron Corbyn was in charge???

Perhaps you could tell us how it could have been any worse?

[ssd]

It's really boring how the only answer to any tory criticism seems to be "well Corbyn would have been worse!!"
There's no taking responsibility for voting tory or no reasons given why you think they have done well.

It's just all "thank god it not Corbyn"

[annabel85]

Yes, I suspect Covid and Brexit will be to Conservatives what the Iraq war was to labour..

If Labour are half way electable the Tories will be out for a generation by the next election, like in 1997. The last 10 years here politically have been so grim (austerity, Grenfell, Covid, Brexit) and you can go back a couple of years further to the 2008 global crash that saw the end of Labour last time. The sad thing is the next few years could/will be even worse as the fall out from austerity, Covid, Brexit tells in a battered economy.

[annabel85]

@ssd

It's really boring how the only answer to any tory criticism seems to be "well Corbyn would have been worse!!"
There's no taking responsibility for voting tory or no reasons given why you think they have done well.

It's just all "thank god it not Corbyn"

Unless they're a staunch member or something; if you ask anyone why they vote Tory the main answer will invariably be along the lines of 'because Labour', it's more about not wanting a Labour government, which is all well and good, but people aren't voting Tory because they think the Tories are any use either. They just want to pay less tax, don't like Corbyn, want less immigration, or don't want 'chaos with Ed Milliband' even though the Tories have messed up everything they've touched for the last decade. The Tories have NOTHING to offer but cronyism.

Immigration a big factor too which has helped lead the Brexit obsession. For me, the Tories have won their last two majorities purely because of Brexit. 2015 Cameron promised a referendum to beat Milliband and 2019 Boris promised to 'get Brexit done' while Labour were in a strategically weak position.

The best thing Corbyn did was campaign in 2017 keeping Brexit well out the equation and forced a hung parliament. The grave mistake Labour made was using that to try and stop Brexit when they'd previously pledged to honour the result. But the northern heartlands who voted Brexit are going to be very disheartened when it changes nothing.

[Lily193]

North West, Tory stronghold. No regrets where we live. Would not support a national lockdown at present.

[Hopoindown31]

Im not regretting it, could you honestly imagine what life would be like how if that moron Corbyn was in charge???

Yes, just imagine if we had a moron in charge?!

[SunsetBeetch]

How patronising

[Tadpolesandfroglets]

Don’t we already have the worlds biggest moron in charge?
At least Corbyn had a soul. I doubt he would have thrown all the geriatrics under a bus like Boris has and teachers and NHS staff and well, every bloody one else I can think of, except maybe his grouse shooting buddies.

[Casschops]

I have too many memories of the Thatcher years to ever vote Tory. My childhood was blighted by the poll tax riots and strikes. I'm certainly not voting that in again.

[NeverAMillionMilesAway]

Don’t we already have the worlds biggest moron in charge?

Nah, USA seems to have that high honour. It's quite closely contested for the next few places.

[user1497207191]

@NeverAMillionMilesAway

Don’t we already have the worlds biggest moron in charge?

Nah, USA seems to have that high honour. It's quite closely contested for the next few places.

Considering most western countries are having similar problems with controlling the virus, do they all have morons in charge?

[VinylDetective]

Nope, just us and the US.