'the norht' might be regretting voting tory

[coffeelover3]

just cant help thinking how did so many people get sucked into tory propaganda this time last year. It's terrible what's happening - the corruption and nepotism, what with Dido Harding and test and trace receiving billions, for what. But at the back of my mind all the time is that this is who the british people voted for - massive tory majority. Wonder if the 'red wall' regret turning blue...

@missmoz

Of course, no matter how bad the Tories fuck up this country (and they seem to be doing a pretty good job) there are people that will let them off the hook because of a hypothetical Corbyn government that never happened.

This is the party the majority voted for, a party who won't feed starving children over the holidays but will increase their own MP allowance. I don't think you get much more 'extreme' than that.

I fully agree, except just one point: the majority didn't. First past post did as it nearly always does, and created a parliamentary majority from an electoral minority.

Try being Scottish.
We voted overwhelmingly to sat in Europe and we never ever vote for a tory government.

I am loving the anti-Corbynite contradictions. “He wouldn’t even follow the rules” ; “the left are too authoritarian and statist”. “He was too extreme; so I voted for Johnson’s version of Tory”.

Yeah. We really need to get out of this one-dimensional oppositional mindset. It’s too simple. The constant baying for scapegoats is annoying too.

Wish l was a Scottish.....

though they might have gotten free school meals
This might be news to you OP but not everywhere in the North is a Dickensian shit hole where the parents send their kids up chimneys to pay for some gruel. Most people buy their own food.

the corruption and nepotism
You haven't much experience of Labour councils, have you?

test and trace receiving billions, for what
It's not the fault of T&T that people have been refusing to tell them their contacts.

I am so sad about the state of British politics, but with no deal around the corner and the shambolic handling of the pandemic by our Government, there are going to be some vulnerable people facing an extremely tough future. I have high hopes for Keir’s labour but I think he’s got a mountain to climb. Boris’ awards of highly lucrative PPE/test and trace contracts to private companies without tender/scrutiny is close to corrupt.

I can’t help thinking that the best solution for the last election would have been no outright majority. They manage to govern quite merrily in swathes of Europe in coalition. My naivety wishes that we could have put party politics to one side for this pandemic and take the best from all sides of the House and work together. Why is this so radical!

They are all a shower of shit. Your choice is Elephant dung or bog standard poo though.

@Tadpolesandfroglets

Everyone trotting out this line ‘well, it would have been loads worse with labour in charge’ like idiots. We just don’t know though do we? Not sure how much awful it could have been to be fair.

Yeah, we do. It's not terribly difficult to work out.

Every time I get pissed off with the current Govt, the only thing I feel grateful for is that Corbyn & labour aren't in instead.

I tend to think that people who can't see what a shit show that would have been are idiots, so there you go.

I'm no Corbyn fan but he would definitely have done a better job than Johnson

We know exactly what Jeremy Corbyn would have done - he told the Guardian in August;

"Corbyn said Britain’s response had been poorer than countries such as South Korea."
“Compare that with the response with South Korea and New Zealand …”

Keir Starmer and Yvette Cooper were admiring the track and trace system in South Korea as well - I'm not sure how they were going to persuade Momentum and the rest of the Labour Party to sign up for it though;

"South Korea is also enforcing a law that grants the government wide authority to access data: CCTV footage, GPS tracking data from phones and cars, credit card transactions, immigration entry information, and other personal details of people confirmed to have an infectious disease."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/aug/19/jeremy-corbyn-governments-coronavirus-policy-was-eugenic-herd-immunity

I thought Jeremy Corbyn was making a fuss about food standards - but let's copy South Korea - we could do this in the event of a no-deal Brexit;

Copyright link;
"Import and trade priorities: South Korea temporarily relaxes food rules due to COVID-19"
"26-May-2020 By Pearly Neo"

"South Korea has moved to temporarily relax regulatory measures for food imports in view of the global COVID-19 pandemic outbreak, particularly concentrating on documentation and labelling requirements to prevent delays in custom clearance."

www.foodnavigator-asia.com/Article/2020/05/26/Import-and-trade-priorities-South-Korea-temporarily-relaxes-food-rules-due-to-COVID-19

Jeremy Corbyn's alternative plan is to copy New Zealand - he would shut off the UK to the rest of the world and quarantine all visitors for 14 days in government sponsored hotels for 18 months/2 years. I suppose he's thought about truck drivers from the Continent and the Republic of Ireland - he would have to quarantine them as well (or at least require them to have have a Covid negative test each time they entered the country). This wouldn't go down well but Corbyn might have to consider blocking the ROI's land bridge to the Continent - New Zealand haven't got foreign truck drivers (from Covid infested Europe) using their country as a thoroughfare - potentially spreading the virus at petrol stations and cafes along the way.

"Corbyn said Britain’s response had been poorer than countries such as South Korea."
“Compare that with the response with South Korea and New Zealand …”

Great ideas Jeremy.

The word 'know' is taking a lot of abuse on this thread.

I bet they don't.

Boris won because he's a comedian imo, people thought he was funny and like him, so voted for him. Also the Tories and Brexit are tied together, Brexit is a cult, so people will never ever rethink.

@Cyw2018

They could have someone like drakeford and Welsh labour instead. Where I live would be tier 1 in England but yet we will be in lockdown again on Friday having only come out of lockdown 3 months ago. I feel like crying at they moment. (I voted labour)

Likewise, my area would be in Tier 1 if it were in England. Yet we were placed under a local lockdown despite having a very low number of cases and will now be subjected to the national lockdown too. Our economy is absolutely fucked now. I'd far rather have Johnson in charge than Drakeford.

[quote Purpledaisychain]@Tadpolesandfroglets

Areas of the country that had voted labour for generations and supported some pretty shit labour leaders during this time suddenly voted Tory. I think that says a lot about how much confidence people had in Corbyn.

He didn't give people the opinion that he could run the country without a pandemic thrown into the mix. As much use as a chocolate tea pot. Talking about chocolate tea pots, I don't need to try one out to know that it will melt.[/quote]
I agree a lot of people went from being life long Labour voter's to feeling they had no choice but to vote Tory. It really says so much about how much Corbyn was disliked. But now anyone who voted Tory is "stupid", yes because we could all see into the future and predict Coronavirus.

I don't get why people are unable to debate and discuss without resorting to childish name calling. Maybe some people are always looking for someone to blame or an argument. Or maybe since the "other place" shut down we're seeing more hostility, but some thing has definitely changed.

North West - voted Labour - my area stayed labour, one of the few that did, but only because there was a vote split between Tories and Brexit party. It still will make sod all difference that we have a Labour MP as far as the ramifications of Brexit are concerned - we are screwed and all those who voted for it as a protest/nothing to lose or whatever, will see what we have lost in a few months time when it all goes to a hell in a handbasket and food prices soar.

They were persuaded to vote for the party which had made them poorer over the last ten years because good old cheeky chappie Boris had an oven ready deal to get Brexit done!
It's a load of old bollocks.
I'm in the north btw and not all of us voted to make ourselves poorer, but too many did unfortunately.

I take comfort from:

My Millennialls and their friends. They HATE the Conservatives.

Students who’ve been screwed. They hate them too. I’ve attached a photo of my local halls of residence.

Gen Z (dd14) aka the Covid Generation. They seem to hate them too.

All of the above will hopefully make a difference at the ballot box in a few years🙏

Yes, OP. Everyone up "Norht" voted Tory.

Someone mentioned Theresa May - I reckon if she was still PM through 2020 she would have been grimly powering through, getting flack from her own MPs (especially Boris Johnson) and the Opposition as well as the general public, probably dealing with commons rebellions etc. Basically doing a not very good job but her best, she would at least be putting the work unlike Johnson who is fundamentally lazy. I reckon she would have reacted a bit quicker to Covid
I voted Corbyn (reluctantly). I don't know who good labour would have been but I do think they would have had a much tougher job passing a lot of the legislation/anything like the budget Rishi Sumak came up with without a major backlash from Tory MPs and the press. So in a wierd way maybe it is better they werent elected (especially with a slim majority/coalition)

Somewhere in a parallel universe though Rory Stewart is currently the leader of the conservatives and British PM and doing a much better job. Sigh. I do feel we went down the wrong trouser leg of time there.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

I take comfort from:

My Millennialls and their friends. They HATE the Conservatives.

Students who’ve been screwed. They hate them too. I’ve attached a photo of my local halls of residence.

Gen Z (dd14) aka the Covid Generation. They seem to hate them too.

All of the above will hopefully make a difference at the ballot box in a few years🙏

Yes, I suspect Covid and Brexit will be to Conservatives what the Iraq war was to labour...

@missmoz

Of course, no matter how bad the Tories fuck up this country (and they seem to be doing a pretty good job) there are people that will let them off the hook because of a hypothetical Corbyn government that never happened.

This is the party the majority voted for, a party who won't feed starving children over the holidays but will increase their own MP allowance. I don't think you get much more 'extreme' than that.

Definitely not letting them off the hook in any way, they're a shit show and a half. It's easy to judge with hindsight.

I don't think it's an unreasonable expectation that the MPs/PM you vote for should be competent and hard working, whatever party that maybe.

Tories gonna Tory and their voters don't give a shit so here we are.

MJMG2015 really summing it up here... Every time I get pissed off with the current Govt, the only thing I feel grateful for is that Corbyn & labour aren't in instead.

How do you know...you don't. We have a government who have:

Reacted far too late
Pumped millions into a mate's "world beating" track and trace system that doesn't work
Spent more millions on an 'eat out to help out' scheme which then reinfected people when the virus wasn't under control
Have abandoned Northern cities to indefinite lockdowns without proper support
Refused to carry on feeding kids in the school holidays after voting to give themselves pay-rises
Eroded public trust by openly breaking their own rules

How is any of that making you feel better?

It may be easy to judge in hindsight, but Tories have spent years showing us who they are so how they react in a time of crisis shouldn't really come as too much of a shock...

Corbyn wouldn't have been allowed to do a good job as PM as certain members of the establishment and press were so fucking hysterical about him that they would have incited full on public riots and probably civil war by now.

You from the North Op??

Family and friends in abundance up there and nope....they're not regretting it at all....they thank god it didn't stay red tbh.