People not understanding what no deal actually means?

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Do you understand what it means? For food prices, crime enforcement, things that affect you?
Think we can just trade with the rest of the world come January? Easy as that? Do WTO rules ring a bell? Pound crashing?
Or do you think sunlit uplands await you?

I really have no idea

Although I am concerned about chlorinated chicken but that’s just something I’ve heard my mum go on about

Should that be true I just won’t be buying it and sticking to Uk only meat as I always do anyway

@RealBecca

I'd ask whether people realise the effect EU CAP policy, worth 35% of the budget, has on trade for developing countries like Africa where farmers are unable to sell their produce because the CAP basically prices them out.

Indeed, we will be able to buy food from developing countries at a fair price rather than from the protectionist Customs Union. Those countries will be able to grow and develop. Trade, not aid.

"They" (the disaster capitalists and fascists who engineered this whole shitshow) aren't going down with the ship. They aren't going down at all.

The apparent craziness of Trump is child's play compared to what Boris Johnson and his group of brexiters are going to unleash on this country from the 1st of January. Literally the only way I can see of compensating even a small part of the massive long-term Economic Hit is by actively begging for vast sums of corrupt Russian Chinese and Middle Eastern money to flow through our cities. Though even if it arrives such capital is more likely to end up in the pockets of a handful if Tory donors than diverted to Mr and Mrs Smith for their now vastly inflated Tesco shop.

No cos we’re all thick as mince and can’t read. Thank god we have you to enlighten us OP

Well if someone promised me roast turkey for dinner and instead bought me a shit sandwich and I didn’t even notice what they were bringing to my table I think it’s fair to say I’m not the sharpest tool in the box.

"Sticking to UK meat" is not going to save you from the likes of chlorinated chicken , you do understand that don't you? "Chlorinated chicken" is shorthand for vastly reduced food safety and animal welfare standards.

@MoonJelly

And remember we have farms here, we can and produce our own food

If our farms could produce enough food for the entire country, we wouldn't import so much. We have much less farmland than we did even fifty years ago.

Perhaps we can have more farmland if we’re not building so many houses !

Anyone else remember the days when you could have a political discussion politely?

I don’t know what it means other than in a broad sense.

I have no influence on it now, I voted Remain so I did my part - tbh I can do without the raised blood pressure.

YABU to start an inflammatory, accusatory thread like this. I’m not a thicko, I have enough to worry about, worrying about food prices and availability alongside everything else won’t help.

It’s one of those threads where OP has a little hissy fit then disappears.

@DdraigGoch
Hilarious. Now it has finally finally dawned on Brexiters the economic carnage that they are about to heap on Britain... So now they pretend it was all about helping Africa!!! Wtf. That's one of the best ive heard yet.

I live in my naïve bubble where I keep telling myself that there is no way Boris would actually accept no deal, but to effectively negotiate the best deal the EU have to believe he will.
I will stay in my bubble and hope Im never forcibly removed.

Indeed, we will be able to buy food from developing countries at a fair price rather than from the protectionist Customs Union. Those countries will be able to grow and develop. Trade, not aid.

We already do under EBA.

@Onedropbeat you won't be able to stick to UK meat. If the US have their way, their deal demands that there is no country of origin on the packaging (to prevent people from being selective).

I don't think I know in huge detail, but I do think I'm pretty well informed and have tried to follow the news and look at a variety of different sources. Fom what I've read I believe it will be a disaster, and will compound the problems we were already facing from climate change, and now Covid.

I live in a leave voting area and I think people here generally have little clue. They really do think it's about getting our powers back from the nasty EU, making our own laws, freedom to choose what we do, what we import, how we manage our borders, spending all those billions on our own country, etc. I think the general feeling is that it might be a bit difficult for a few months while we get things sorted, but then it will start to get better. The sad thing is that Covid gives them a get out clause - it WOULD have been great if Covid hadn't happened, and if there's huge hardship, high prices, job losses, recession, etc, well everywhere else will be suffering economically from Covid, so there'll be a lot of reorganising of facts to show that our problems are all just Covid too. Boris will be replaced with someone else, so no mud can stick to the new PM. And so it goes on. We are in for a depressing future. I despair for young people, or anyone with the misfortune to be poor, disabled, in bad health, etc.

@Goosefoot I agree with your post. I'm happy to muddle through the mess and we'll all deal with it how we see fit. Look for the negatives and you'll find lots.

@Mintychoc1

It’s one of those threads where OP has a little hissy fit then disappears.

Maybe she was sleep posting. Or a very angry night worker. Or on Vladivostok time

@Onedropbeat

I really have no idea

Although I am concerned about chlorinated chicken but that’s just something I’ve heard my mum go on about

Should that be true I just won’t be buying it and sticking to Uk only meat as I always do anyway

You won’t know if the meat you buy is UK or not. A trade deal with the US means food can’t be labelled with country of origin, no matter where it comes from. Best avoid chicken, beef and pork. And vegetables too.

@Onedropbeat

I really have no idea

Although I am concerned about chlorinated chicken but that’s just something I’ve heard my mum go on about

Should that be true I just won’t be buying it and sticking to Uk only meat as I always do anyway

If we get the trade deal with the USA it will be contingent on meat not being labelled with its country of origin. So unless you’re buying it straight from the farm you’ll have no idea.

@YellowishZebra

I am not an expert by a long way, but we will still be able to trade - obviously we aren't going to suddenly be unable to import and export. It will just be on worse terms, so higher import and export tariffs, there will probably be customs delays for a while until we get used to the new system. Some people will probably lose their jobs but equally some new roles will be created. Life will get more expensive but when doesn't it. And remember we have farms here, we can and produce our own food. Even on a personal level I've got (for example) 40+ swedes in the garden more than I'll eat this winter I'll swap with friends family who've got a glut of something else.

I can't believe the cluelessness fair enough you might not know anything about economics but if so leave other people to the decision making this is just daft in the extreme. It's not just 'a bit more expensive' to trade it will be economically unviable meaning it won't happen.

I really am shocked that anyone literate enough to read and write could make such a daft comment about swedes in your back garden in reference to food security. How mindlessly self absorbed can you get? Do you know what percenatage of the national food requirement we import? This is just a very clear example of the absolutely inane thinking lots of the population engage in. Maybe I'm being unfair and you realise that other people will be in dire poverty and you just don't care.

Increase taxes on the top 10% of earners to help fund infrastructure projects education etc which would in time benefit everyone (including the top 10%) = magic money tree magic grandpa etc etc

Destroy real living standards by 20%in Britain via hard Brexit... to help Africa and trade more with the developing world = sound conservative fiscal policy

😂 swedes.
I’m a big fan of swedes but we’re supposed to be one of the most developed countries in the world. Do we really want to be reduced to a system of bartering home grown vegetables by choice?!

To quote Harry Potter (or Hagrid, if you want to be pedantic) - what will come will come, and we'll have to meet it when it does.

Exactly what good is sitting around scaring yourself and others going to do?

Of course people understand. Do you think you are the only one and need to enlighten people?

There is nothing that can be done about it. We're out.