People not understanding what no deal actually means?

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Do you understand what it means? For food prices, crime enforcement, things that affect you?
Think we can just trade with the rest of the world come January? Easy as that? Do WTO rules ring a bell? Pound crashing?
Or do you think sunlit uplands await you?

I have absolutely no faith in this government to ensure its people are put first. A few will make a lot of money out of this and the rest of us will be significantly worse off. It’s a total mess. My garden is too small for swedes, and the students at the school were I teach mostly live in flats. Many of their families struggle already to get food on the table and food bank use has been high throughout Covid. I honestly fear for them so much.

I truly loathe this government. They have done us over totally in a fug of lies and weasel words.

It boggles my mind how little the mainstream media are talking about what's going on with Brexit. I can't see any mention at all on today's BBC front page, although they have found space for "Five ways the virus has changed Netflix" and Clare Balding on why "Animals have made me kinder".

Does anyone know if the Euratom issue has been sorted? (Loss of access to European radio isotope supply - the stuff we need more medical imaging, radiotherapy etc.) There are lots of ways this will stuff things up for us.

The effect of a hard brexit _ which is 95% certain at this point - is equivalent to to the whole country taking a 20% pay cut in terms of the knock on effect it will have on grocery and High Street prices + the mother of all economic recessions. Thanks "Boris"

So your worst case scenario is life and death for some of us.

Yep. That's why we didn't just leave 2 years ago. The consequences of 'crashing' out would have been really bad in the short term.

I massively simplified because I was addressing PPs claim of no trade with Europe at all.

I also missed out: the decimation of the haulage industry, leaving Europol, huge detriment to our previously world beating Scientific research, the reasons fisherpersons won't benefit much, food standards, employment rights and probably loads more.

The very worst bits are (supposedly) sorted. There will be loads of 'small' consequences we won't see for years (some hopefully beneficial) For most people it will be trade, jobs and food which are the most obvious negative impacts.

It's fine though because we've all been nurturing our magic money trees in our back gardens in preparation for the Tory Party's Brexit. I hope people are reigning in their Christmas spending this year. Sadly most people think brexit was "done" in January. You couldn't make it up.

I know exactly what no deal means but what the fuck do you want me to do about it? I didn't vote for this government but I have zero control, beyond pestering my MP, over what they do. Zero. How is it helpful if I sit around scaring myself shitless and panicking? How will that help anyone?

Best I can do is get on with it.

No cos we’re all thick as mince and can’t read. Thank god we have you to enlighten us OP.

Oh and don't forget the joy of being stuck in a 2-hour customs immigration queue behind groups of Chinese and American tourists next time you "pop over" to Spain for a couple of days!

I think a no-deal would be bad. Very bad. On almost every front. But I still think this is all a lot of last-minute bluster and we will end up with some kind of a deal. Maybe I am naive - but didn’t we go through all this macho posturing chest-beating and announcing we were going to walk away from the negotiating table before we signed the withdrawal agreement?

Many people knew, and said, what a disaster this will be. I marched repeatedly, screamed and shouted, lay down in the street at Trafalgar Square, pestered my MP, voted against it...nothing worked. Then I left the country.

The majority of people wanted to leave.

This. It's pointless to argue about whether we should leave- that's done.

It's not, however, unreasonable to point out what a truly awful job the government have done of negotiating, communicating and administering that decision.

@halfmoonfullmoon

I actually don’t really know to be honest but I feel like you’re definitely not the place to get neutral info thanks anyway

This really made me smile

The majority of people did not want to leave. And a large proportion of those who thought they did, did not know what it meant, because they were not told.

I think a no-deal would be bad. Very bad. On almost every front. But I still think this is all a lot of last-minute bluster and we will end up with some kind of a deal.

Apparently the deal we are going to be left with is the so-called "Australian type deal" aka hard brexit with a friendly rebranding for the Fosters/Home & Away generation.

The current govt wants no deal IMO. It's disaster capitalism dressed up as nationalism.

The 40+ swedes post is the funniest thing I've heard all day... The tens of millions who live in flats are FUCKED then?

Incidentally even if everyone dug up their garden turf and grew bloody swedes (or something to swap them with) there's still nowhere near enough land in the UK to feed us all.

But I still think this is all a lot of last-minute bluster and we will end up with some kind of a deal. Maybe I am naive

I was convinced we'd have a working track and trace system by September. I couldn't believe there wasn't some plan for GCSE and A-level results. I didn't think Johnson could possibly be a worse PM than May.

I've stopped being surprised.

No-deal is a complete lose lose for both sides, then there is tourism, no EHIC, increased travel insurances, more queuing, assuming there is any airlines//ferries left?

After 4 years, i just cannot see any advantages to Brexit, especially in a post Covid world.

We have left the worlds largest trading bloc only to scramble around seeking to join other trading blocs, abiding by their rules, with zero say.... nuts!

Hurrah! Home grown swedes and African mange tout. Our cup runneth over. Thanks leavers, see you at the food bank.

@GhostofFrankGrimes

Just like the majority of Irish people wanted to leave the UK 100 years ago.

Wanting independence because your colonisers had historically looked on as a famine unfolded and burnt you out of your home isn't quite the same as being aggrieved about bendy banannas.

Scottish nationalism, atm, is even more bizarre. Leave the Uk and then transfer sovereignty to the EU.

Wanting to remain shackled to a London government that treats you with contempt is bizarre.

Yes but people who voted for brexit believe Brussels treats countries with contempt.

It’s emotional and it’s driven by nationalism. In this case it was obviously English nationalism. There was no famine in 1919. Prior to the uprising most Irish People weren’t nationalists even knowing the colonial legacy.

You are basically saying only certain peoples are entitled to nationalist beliefs. Which is sort of the problem with nationalist anyway whatever the context.

I didn't think Johnson could possibly be a worse PM than May.

you were extremely naive then, it was obvious he would always have been an utter disaster.

I have always thought swedes were cattle fodder anyway.
What was it they wrote on the side of their bus ? How much money we are not going to have to pay to EU? I suppose that money will go to pay for covid costs now plus more tax. Never voted for Brexit and never voted for Tories for 20 years - no one to vote for really.

I love swedes (misses the point...)

@araiwa

They've already nailed their colours to the mast and would rather go down with the ship than admit the whole thing is fucked.

This.

And the idiots will take the rest of us down with them.

And remember we have farms here, we can and produce our own food. Even on a personal level I've got (for example) 40+ swedes in the garden more than I'll eat this winter I'll swap with friends family who've got a glut of something else.

That's too funny. Is it Chris Morris?