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People not understanding what no deal actually means?

493 replies

flashbac · 21/10/2020 01:15

Do you understand what it means? For food prices, crime enforcement, things that affect you?
Think we can just trade with the rest of the world come January? Easy as that? Do WTO rules ring a bell? Pound crashing?
Or do you think sunlit uplands await you?

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TwentyViginti · 21/10/2020 10:05

@RunBackwards

If swapping swedes is what's going to see us through, things are worse then I thought Grin
Dig For Victory #2 Grin
Onedropbeat · 21/10/2020 10:07

If I buy from the farms that have chickens they have reared then I will know it’s Uk chicken though

Avoid supermarket meat and you won’t be risking buying us chicken

Eviebeans · 21/10/2020 10:11

I don't think anyone can say with total certainty what the implications are...

Eviebeans · 21/10/2020 10:13

But I do cringe at the thought of badger stew...

duffeldaisy · 21/10/2020 10:16

Good point about buying from local farms, although that rules out most people who can't drive (unless there are delivery schemes) and who can't afford it.

There aren't enough local farms yet. We import 52% of our food in the UK at the moment. Hopefully that'll change, though, to give more people a chance to eat decent food. Again, though, it's how much it'll cost.

We won't be able to tell where it's come from for anything we don't cook from scratch - so schools, hospitals, restaurants, could all be buying in the dodgy food.

PhilSwagielka · 21/10/2020 10:17

@Enoughnowstop

Nonsense. Worst case scenario:- Planes don't fly.- Tariffs on exports.- Customs delays at ports.- No intelligence and law enforcement co-operation.- All our trade agreements with countries outside the EU stop (this is happening no matter what)

I have a type 1 diabetic in my family, Given all our insulin comes from Europe, the above means we are facing insulin shortages. In a nutshell, he’ll be dead very quickly if that happens.

So your worst case scenario is life and death for some of us.

There was a guy who voted for Brexit and said he didn't mind dying due to lack of insulin as long as we got out of the EU. I can't quite wrap my head around the mentality of that.
tara66 · 21/10/2020 10:18

''Fox is poisonous to humans''? I didn't know that! So no road kill then?!

MarshaBradyo · 21/10/2020 10:19

@raddledoldmisanthropist

What No Deal means : in a nutshell The UK is locked out of trading with Europe.

Nonsense. Worst case scenario:

  • Planes don't fly.
  • Tariffs on exports.
  • Customs delays at ports.
  • No intelligence and law enforcement co-operation.
  • All our trade agreements with countries outside the EU stop (this is happening no matter what).
  • Various other bits and pieces.

In practice we already have agreement on the intelligence sharing and air traffic along with most of the detailed stuff so the big problems are trade and customs. Two main effects:

We will have customs barriers with Europe which will mean delays and an increase in prices of fresh food. Possibly food shortages of some things.

60% of our trade is with the EU or countries we had trade agreements with through the EU. We've replaced those 100ish deals with one so far. Any sector which is exposed to imports or exports will suffer.

Yes good balanced post with information
Whatatoodoodle · 21/10/2020 10:19

@Onedropbeat

If I buy from the farms that have chickens they have reared then I will know it’s Uk chicken though

Avoid supermarket meat and you won’t be risking buying us chicken

Yes that’s what we’ll have to do but that will be a lot more expensive and inconvenient for the majority of people.
Travelledtheworld · 21/10/2020 10:21

I had a meeting with an influential (1922 committee) conservative back bencher. He said it will take our economy 50 years to recover from a No Deal Brexit . Even more furious because Johnson et al have had four years to sort this out and they haven't . They will jump ship in the New Year and someone else will be left to pick up the mess.

Pyewhacket · 21/10/2020 10:22

Don't tell me. The people should take to the streets and demand a final say in our status with the EU ?.

theDudesmummy · 21/10/2020 10:23

"Over half the population" did NOT vote to leave the EU. Utter rubbish. The population is around 65 million. About 17 or 18 million voted to leave.

Mustbe3ormorecharacters · 21/10/2020 10:25

Are? You? Asking? A? Question? Or? Just? Ranting?

Clavinova · 21/10/2020 10:25

if we do the food deal the US wants us to do, which is looking increasingly likely, you won't know which meat is from the UK, as it will be illegal to label it with country of origin.
You won't know where your food is coming from UK, USA, or anywhere else.

Although;

LOS ANGELES, March 20, 2019 -
"Thanks to growing U.S. market demand, Beef + Lamb New Zealand, which represents New Zealand's beef and sheep farmers, is launching an integrated marketing campaign in partnership with leading retail brands to educate consumers on the benefits of grass-fed meat from New Zealand, under the Taste Pure Nature origin brand. The multi-faceted program will launch first in California with online display and video ads, social media, public relations and a bespoke website with information and recipe inspiration."

www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/beef--lamb-new-zealand-launches-multi-million-dollar-us-branding-campaign-300815719.html

Neighbours87 · 21/10/2020 10:27

I live in a border community in n Ireland it will have a devastating impact on us

Porcupineinwaiting · 21/10/2020 10:27

@Travelledtheworld to be fair May did have a deal, but it was decided that it wasnt "Brexity" enough by the party and then the people voted Boris in. So this is clearly what the majority want fuck knows why.

MagpieSong · 21/10/2020 10:34

I imagine a huge number of people will turn vegetarian or vegan to avoid unlabelled meat.

There are a number of people who won’t be able to do this and will find out after attempting the change as quite a number of people don’t get enough iron etc. from a vegetarian diet. However, I do share your hope there will be ways of working together and getting through it. My disappointment is that we have to in the first place, but local produce, self sufficiency etc may be on the up. It depends though, as we’re working towards self sufficiency as far as we can and it’s enjoyable, but a lot of hard work. I do agree the next few months don’t look like fun.

I think one issue was barely a majority who did vote and a huge majority voted with little understanding. There was a lot of racism in the Leave campaign which goes mostly unmentioned and Cambridge Analytica was consulted and used in the early stages of the referendum by the Leave campaign. Neither of those things make me comfortable with the vote outcome. Remember the Nazi inspired propaganda poster by Farage titled ‘breaking point’? Not something that should be influencing a referendum in any way, shape or form.

I’m also concerned about medication, including some psychiatric medication which could be hard to get. Delays in that could cause relapses and significant trauma to the person and their family, it also isn’t easily swapped to something else as often these are complicated drugs with serious side effects. I believe lurasidone for schizophrenia is one of those that could be affected, but there’s a big list of medications and companies that will be at risk of shortages including pain medications, dialysis products, insulin, possibly some cancer treatments etc. That really concerns me.

Also it directly takes away from our children’s lives, which is a shame. They won’t have the same ease of travel (inc loss of pet passport scheme brought in when I was a child), they are at risk of having poor diets if this US food gets onto the shelves and increased health problems, they will have less ease of working abroad or employing those from the EU when they grow up, they’ll have a science sector that’s negatively affected, local areas that have lost EU funding, they may have to initially deal with higher food prices and higher child poverty levels (and they’re high now) as well as potential medicine shortages which they won’t fully understand. We can’t be definite on everything it means, but we can be sure it won’t be an improvement and there are plenty of negatives. I screamed on the street, took my ds to protests, tried to teach him why this is happening and why it’s a shame. We didn’t get properly listened to, but we haven’t given up. Hopefully our children’s generations can change this as we move forward, but it’ll be a big fight and with less benefits than befell our generations.

OchonAgusOchonO · 21/10/2020 10:34

@nicky7654 - Over half the population voted out of the EU and you can't say they are all thick! Now you for example are though !!

Maybe work on your maths and civics skills before calling others thickGrin

Over 50% of the population did not vote leave.

51.9% of 72.2% of the electorate voted leave. The electorate was 46,501,241. The population was 65,648,100, so the electorate was approximately 71% of the population.

That means 51.9% of 72.2% of 71% of the population voted leave.

That works out at 26.6% of the population (or 37% of those eligible to vote), a lot less than 50%.

That said, I do think if you choose not to vote, you can't really complain about the outcome as you have, by default, decided to allow those who do vote, to decide for you

PumpkinetChocolat · 21/10/2020 10:35

@theDudesmummy

"Over half the population" did NOT vote to leave the EU. Utter rubbish. The population is around 65 million. About 17 or 18 million voted to leave.
well, the ones who chose not to vote are just as guilty. They might have had no opinion, but it means that they were not against leaving anyway.

16,141,241 voted to remain
I am blaming every one else frankly. Thanks a lot, you chose that.

Youandmeareluckytobeus · 21/10/2020 10:37

@SunscreenCentral

What No Deal means : in a nutshell

The UK is locked out of trading with Europe.
And this shows the intelligence level of remainers. What utter rubbish Maybe the remainers are the turnips?

SabrinaThwaite · 21/10/2020 10:38

[quote nicky7654]@MadameMeursault Absolute rot! And extremely rude! Over half the population voted out of the EU and you can't say they are all thick! Now you for example are though !![/quote]
Only 37% of the electorate and 25% of the population voted Leave.

Pot and kettle?

j712adrian · 21/10/2020 10:42

Prices of all food will rise shaprply on no deal. It's not only the tariffs, it's the friction within the just-in-time system and general scarcity of food.

People are in for a massive shock, and those people who have supported this mess will feel guilty to the end of their days over it.

Also, they'll be told repeatedly - we told you so.

TheClitterati · 21/10/2020 10:44

The Northern Ireland issue seems to have been kicked into the long grass again - no solution or viable work around has been sorted for that has it?

SpringSunshineandTulips · 21/10/2020 10:47

I’m worried about medicines. Particularly insulin. Unable to stock up either (and rightly so) but it would make me feel better if I could.

Pyewhacket · 21/10/2020 10:48

@theDudesmummy

"Over half the population" did NOT vote to leave the EU. Utter rubbish. The population is around 65 million. About 17 or 18 million voted to leave.
Your Diane Abbott logic really doesn't make sense unless are you saying babies , toddlers, reception and infant school children should be given the vote ?. A democratically appointed government was elected on the manifesto commitment of holding a referendum. Nobody was left in doubt as to the date of the referendum and everybody on the electoral register was sent details of where to vote. We won’t mention the 2019 election.