People not understanding what no deal actually means?

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Do you understand what it means? For food prices, crime enforcement, things that affect you?
Think we can just trade with the rest of the world come January? Easy as that? Do WTO rules ring a bell? Pound crashing?
Or do you think sunlit uplands await you?

Even on a personal level I've got (for example) 40+ swedes in the garden more than I'll eat this winter I'll swap with friends family who've got a glut of something else

that's the funniest post I've seen on MN for a long time.

And remember we have farms here, we can and produce our own food

If our farms could produce enough food for the entire country, we wouldn't import so much. We have much less farmland than we did even fifty years ago.

Project fear. What are you on about? Wee gott arr cuntree back. Sovereignty. Independence. Fantastic Australia deal. Boris is a hero!

@MoiraRoseisupSchittCreek

Even on a personal level I've got (for example) 40+ swedes in the garden more than I'll eat this winter I'll swap with friends family who've got a glut of something else

that's the funniest post I've seen on MN for a long time.

They'll probably be trying to pay for goods with twigs .

[quote WotFreeWords]**@YellowishZebra* are you fucking joking? Swapping swedes* will see us through the food shortages that No Deal is likely to cause? Bloody hell.[/quote]
That’s the level of intelligence of people that voted for Brexit I’m afraid. Turnips the lot of them.

ahdb.org.uk/eu-and-uk-import-tariff-rates-for-selected-cereals-and-oilseeds-and-derived-products

Have a look at this page and see what you think will happen to the price of bread.

@SunscreenCentral

What No Deal means : in a nutshell

The UK is locked out of trading with Europe.

Do you honestly believe that? Have you been talking to the OP?

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@WotFreeWords 🤦‍♀️ I think the Swede thing was an analogy to describe the bigger picture rather than her genuinely thinking that her swedes will feed the country. Deary me...

If swapping swedes is what's going to see us through, things are worse then I thought

I think I do?
I have been reading as widely as possible
Combined with Covid and the incompetance of Govt we are in for a very rough time, short term, but also medium and longer too.
I am afraid.
For myself, but more so for my children.

Following as I don’t know much about it but expect food prices to go up which they already seem to have done since Covid

@SunscreenCentral

What No Deal means : in a nutshell

The UK is locked out of trading with Europe.

And out of all existing EU trade deals with other countries, so unless and until the UK has negotiated its own trade deals with non-EU nations, a lot of non-EU imports will be more more expensive because of the higher tariffs payable under WTO rules.

That's before we even consider the chaos of not having customs procedures sorted.

@SunscreenCentral

What No Deal means : in a nutshell

The UK is locked out of trading with Europe.

Not exactly, companies can still sell things to each other, but it will be more complicated and expensive and there will be border controls on goods.

Services is more difficult - you are right that UK companies (especially in sectors like broadcasting and financial services) will be locked out of Europe (although I would say it's easy enough to have a small HQ in London and have the actual work done from the UK especially with all the home-working going on).

It's all a mess and completely unnecessary. Any sensible government would have taken a compromise approach given the closeness of the vote and kept us in the EEA.

But we've not had a sensible government since 2015, arguably 2010.

small HQ in the EU!

Goodness knows why I typed London.

I've heard a lot of a contradiction so I'm not sure but I hope we sort out the deal.

The podcasts I've listened to say that there is a deal there that is being held up by pretty much just a disagreement on fishing, so I hope that they can reach a compromise to avoid us crashing out.

My employer makes machinery. Currently approved to sell to EU.

After Jan, without lots of re testing and maybe setting a subsidiary up in Ireland we cannot sell to EU.

Purchasing from UK as opposed to say Germany for a country like France will just fall into the too hard bucket.

We already sell worldwide, but that is more expensive to do.

I think the firm is on the way out, with loss of jobs.

On the whole why would eu buy from uk if it is more expensive for them and admin heavy.

UK was never a low cost producer to start with.

Car plants are closing now too.

Looks like I need to retrain for one of those cyber jobs

The majority of people wanted to leave. Just like the majority of Irish people wanted to leave the UK 100 years ago. At some point the majority of Scottish people may too. Lots of examples of people voting to leave unions which are purely driven by nationalism and sovereignty ideals.

Very few examples of this happening without economic pain or punishment. Very few examples of it being regretted by those nationalists.

Btw I loathe nationalism, but this is what it is. Brexit was English nationalism stirred up by people with an economic stake in shattering the EU.

Scottish nationalism, atm, is even more bizarre. Leave the Uk and then transfer sovereignty to the EU.

@MoonJelly

And remember we have farms here, we can and produce our own food

If our farms could produce enough food for the entire country, we wouldn't import so much. We have much less farmland than we did even fifty years ago.

When you think how much land was repurposed for food production during WW2, and that there were still pretty serious food shortages despite there being far fewer people and a lot more land available, it's pretty clear that being a self-sufficient nation with regard to food supply is at worst wishful thinking and at best a long way off.

In the meantime, any interesting and tasty recipes for swede will be very welcome. And maybe fox, does fox taste nice?

Nonsense. Worst case scenario:- Planes don't fly.- Tariffs on exports.- Customs delays at ports.- No intelligence and law enforcement co-operation.- All our trade agreements with countries outside the EU stop (this is happening no matter what)

I have a type 1 diabetic in my family, Given all our insulin comes from Europe, the above means we are facing insulin shortages. In a nutshell, he’ll be dead very quickly if that happens.

So your worst case scenario is life and death for some of us.

"Even on a personal level I've got (for example) 40+ swedes in the garden more than I'll eat this winter I'll swap with friends family who've got a glut of something else."

😂😂😂😂

No - a lot of people don't understand - even though there has been quite a few years to work it out.

The phrase 'thick as mince' does spring to mind quite a bit. That and 'hell in a handcart'

Not very helpful I realise.

@BlusteryShowers

I've heard a lot of a contradiction so I'm not sure but I hope we sort out the deal.

The podcasts I've listened to say that there is a deal there that is being held up by pretty much just a disagreement on fishing, so I hope that they can reach a compromise to avoid us crashing out.

There is no deal. There was never going to be a deal, just like the NHS was never going to get £350m a week.

We could have settled for a Norway, or even a Canada, months ago. The disaster capitalists have been rubbing their hands with glee ever since the morning after the referendum.

Still, those who voted for this knew what they were voting for, didn't they?

TBH I don't understand all the implications but I do know it's going to be bad. I'm certainly not expecting sunlit uplands.

Just like the majority of Irish people wanted to leave the UK 100 years ago.

Wanting independence because your colonisers had historically looked on as a famine unfolded and burnt you out of your home isn't quite the same as being aggrieved about bendy banannas.

Scottish nationalism, atm, is even more bizarre. Leave the Uk and then transfer sovereignty to the EU.

Wanting to remain shackled to a London government that treats you with contempt is bizarre.

@Enoughnowstop, DP's son is a T1 diabetic. DP is really worried about the insulin situation.