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People not understanding what no deal actually means?

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flashbac · 21/10/2020 01:15

Do you understand what it means? For food prices, crime enforcement, things that affect you?
Think we can just trade with the rest of the world come January? Easy as that? Do WTO rules ring a bell? Pound crashing?
Or do you think sunlit uplands await you?

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Peregrina · 23/10/2020 09:21

And where exactly do Glaxo and Co make their insulin?

I gather that there is one small firm in either Shropshire or North Wales which makes one type - but that there are different types which suit different people.

Did we see the Government ramping up UK production facilities four years ago so that this would not be a problem? We need a Clavinova cut n' paste to tell us this was the case!

SabrinaThwaite · 23/10/2020 09:27

Insulin supply in the UK:

Insulin in the UK comes from three main pharmaceutical manufacturers, Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. Currently, all analogue and synthetic human insulin is imported from outside of the UK, and these are the most common forms of insulin used by people with diabetes in the UK

www.diabetes.org.uk/about_us/news/insulin-brexit

Clavinova · 23/10/2020 09:30

Pity he hadn't briefed his chum Daniel Hannan then, who said that no -one was talking about leaving the Single Market on Newsnight on the evening after the results were announced. Much to the exasperation of Evan Davies.

Do you have a direct quote?

It would appear he referred to the "Common Market" and they talked about immigration - but the clip is edited.

Peregrina · 23/10/2020 09:47

You need to google for Newsnight, for the evening after the Referendum and then you will be able to cut n paste. Sadly, I have to go out now.

Peregrina · 23/10/2020 09:50

Despite my having to go out, a few seconds googling found it.

Cailleach1 · 23/10/2020 09:54

I bought some jewellery from the US. The Customs thing hadn't been done and I had to pay quite a bit extra to pay the charges on it.

It has made me rethink about buying from there and if I can source similar without paying the extra charges (for nothing value added, just bureaucracy).

Clavinova · 23/10/2020 09:57

Admittedly this was published pre-Covid - nevertheless;

"With a backup to the backup, insulin makers say they're primed for Brexit."

"With Britain set to leave the European Union within weeks, Pinder Sahota at the world’s biggest insulin maker Novo Nordisk, and Sanofi’s Hugo Fry have rebuilt operations to withstand the most turbulent of events".

"The two companies told Reuters they had spent millions of pounds, which they cannot recoup, stockpiling millions of packets of insulin - used to treat diabetes - inside Britain and building new shipping and air freight routes."

"Their plans, formulated over three years, show the lengths companies across the continent are having to go to overhaul long-standing supply chains that may not survive Britain’s biggest trade upheaval in half a century."

“There is nothing comparable to this,” Novo Nordisk’s UK General Manager Sahota told Reuters of the Danish company’s preparation. “It’s unprecedented from a logistics point of view. We’re preparing for the worst-case scenario, the most extreme.”

"Both Sanofi and Novo Nordisk have reserved space on ferries going the longer route to eastern English ports to avoid the main Calais-Dover crossing if needed, and also air freight if required."

“We anticipate that route is going to become congested so what we’ve done is open up other routes,” said Sahota. “So two other routes that we’ve opened up are Denmark to Immingham (in north-east England) and Netherlands to Immingham.” ...

"Novo Nordisk, Britain’s biggest insulin supplier, has tripled its warehouse capacity to hold 18 weeks’ worth of stock - 3.8 million packs that piled high would stand 12 times the height of the London Shard skyscraper."

"Eli Lilly of the United States and France’s Sanofi, the country’s second and third-biggest suppliers, have similar stockpiles."

uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-insulin-focus/with-a-backup-to-the-backup-insulin-makers-say-theyre-primed-for-brexit-idUKKBN1W20MR

Peregrina
Sadly, I have to go out now

So do I. Grin

Clavinova · 23/10/2020 09:59

Oops - missed the heading.

Insulin supply in the UK

"With a backup to the backup, insulin makers say they're primed for Brexit."

uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-insulin-focus/with-a-backup-to-the-backup-insulin-makers-say-theyre-primed-for-brexit-idUKKBN1W20MR

SabrinaThwaite · 23/10/2020 10:13

But not manufactured in the UK, eh Clavinova? Hence having to stockpile supplies.

Which was the point of my post.

Clavinova · 23/10/2020 10:19

Peregrina*
Despite my having to go out, a few seconds googling found it.

I really do have to go out but Wiki says your video clip is from 2015 in any case.

Peregrina · 23/10/2020 12:16

I did go out. I certainly heard Hannan say that 'No one is talking of Leaving the Single Market.

If that particular clip was from 2015 then Cameron had time to put him right, didn't he?

But this is so typical of the true BeLeavers - "We are going to get a great deal" translates to "No Deal".

Peregrina · 23/10/2020 12:46

reminder of some of the claims made. It seems that it was not just Hannan who thought we wouldn't leave the single Market - even though Clavinova is trying to swear blind that none of this was said.

The interesting thing I note from that extract is the one about Scottish Independence - it's now much more likely rather than less.

ListeningQuietly · 23/10/2020 12:59

I see that Grumpier posted the link to the Transition Team header page
which as every business knows
contains no practical information at all
FFS the links to the Tariff were broken for weeks Hmm

YankeeinKingArthursCourt · 23/10/2020 14:29

For example, recent headlines heralding new trade deals signed between UK & Japan. Sounds good on paper until you look at the cost-prohibitive reality of shipping goods between UK & Japan.

Welsh farmers did exactly this when Tory Brexiteers extolled the virtues of "opening up new economies such as Japan" for Welsh beef and sheep. Farmers pointed out that refrigerated shipping to Japan was cost-prohibitive ( particularly as Australia & New Zealand have cornered the market on this already).

But, "freedom" I guess ...

Clavinova · 23/10/2020 18:19

Peregrina
reminder of some of the claims made. It seems that it was not just Hannan who thought we wouldn't leave the single Market - even though Clavinova is trying to swear blind that none of this was said.

You posted;
"No one was talking of leaving the Single Market remember."

I linked to quotations from Michael Gove, Nigel Farage and David Cameron from 2016, quite clearly spelling out that the UK would leave the single market.

Here's another -
Politico.eu/blogs 3 June 2016;

"takeaways from David Cameron’s first Brexit TV ‘debate’

"3. Single market, single market, single market."

"The Remain campaign clearly believe Gove and Johnson have committed a major strategic error by calling for Britain to leave the single market, with Cameron returning to it again and again. “I keep going on about the single market, but it’s so important,” he said at one point, in a sentence that summed up his entire debate strategy."

"Judging by this debate, there are other issues the public is more concerned about—immigration, the NHS—but they’ll certainly be hearing a lot more about the single market by June 23."

www.politico.eu/blogs/on-media/2016/06/5-takeaways-from-david-camerons-first-brexit-tv-debate/

Also, your link quotes Tory MP Owen Paterson with another quote from 2015, not 2016 - in which he refers to "the market", not the "single market". In fact Owen Paterson wrote to Jeremy Corbyn in March 2019 asking him to please stop misquoting him by adding the word "single" to what he had said;

"the Shropshire MP wrote to the Labour leader to over the matter, which Mr Paterson said "is a very common misquotation, frequently repeated on Twitter". Owen Patterson was referring to a free trade deal with the EU - not staying in the single market.

ListeningQuietly · 23/10/2020 18:27

Clavinova
2016 is the past.
How about you tell us the up sides of 2021
I'm sure your paymasters must know some

Clavinova · 23/10/2020 18:42

YankeeinKingArthursCourt
For example, recent headlines heralding new trade deals signed between UK & Japan. Sounds good on paper until you look at the cost-prohibitive reality of shipping goods between between UK & Japan. Welsh farmers did exactly this

Odd that I frequently buy New Zealand lamb then - on account of New Zealand being so far away.

Peregrina · 23/10/2020 18:45

It's past of course, but then Cameron was going to stay on also and scarpered within 12 hours of the result being declared. So why on earth should we take the slightest bit of notice of what he may or may not have said?

To bring it up to date - Johnson's great deal which was oven ready turned out not to be. Similarly he was going to walk away from talks last week if he didn't get his deal, but strangely enough, the talks are still continuing. This of course, is the Johnson who preferred to die in a ditch last year, but is still alive, although not in the best of health, which is in part due to his stupidity in exposing himself to Covid.

Clavinova · 23/10/2020 18:48

ListeningQuietly
your paymasters

My paymasters? You and I used to debate on the Education Boards - I haven't changed my username.

ListeningQuietly · 23/10/2020 18:52

My paymasters? You and I used to debate on the Education Boards - I haven't changed my username.
But you talked sense then Grin

Clavinova · 23/10/2020 19:10

Peregrina
exposing himself to Covid.

All very strange -

20 Oct -
"Ursula von der Leyen’s self-isolation disappearing act."

"Commission president left summit after colleague tested positive for COVID-19 but didn’t disclose she’d gone to Germany." ...

"European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen left an EU leaders’ summit on Thursday to go into self-isolation, but then vanished from Brussels without a word, her chief spokesman, Eric Mamer, admitted Tuesday after repeated questioning by reporters."

"stonewalling only prompted a barrage of questions about the Commission’s testing capacity, and about whether von der Leyen had adhered to all of the regulations regarding travel under pandemic conditions, with a reminder that former Trade Commissioner Phil Hogan resigned in August following a scandal over his violation of travel restrictions while back home in Ireland."

"Von der Leyen has had to enter self-isolation once before [end of September/early October] following an infection risk on an “essential” work trip to Portugal." ...

^"European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen’s visit to Portugal raised eyebrows, and a question: What in the name of COVID was so urgent that she needed to travel to Lisbon?

www.politico.eu/article/ursula-von-der-leyen-european-leaders-coronavirus-covid-pandemic-dilemma-what-travel-is-essential/
www.politico.eu/article/ursula-von-der-leyens-coronavirus-self-isolation-location-european-commission-president/

SurroundedByIdiotsEverywhere · 23/10/2020 22:23

Ignore the remoaners/remainers, they are still very bitter losing over 4 years ago...

They think we will be living in caves soon, they are pathetic and boring!

ListeningQuietly · 23/10/2020 22:34

There is no Remain.
Because the UK Left the EU on 31st January.
And if the UK ends the transition period on 31st December without a deal
I will not moan
as I told you so Grin

SabrinaThwaite · 23/10/2020 22:40

I love posters that feel the need to use exclamation marks! It’s like the English language is just so new and exciting!

TheSandman · 23/10/2020 23:44

Ignore the remoaners/remainers, they are still very bitter losing over 4 years ago...

They think we will be living in caves soon, they are pathetic and boring!

If I was robbed blind by a bunch of conmen who walked away gloating as the police stood about and told me it was nothing to do with them - I'd be a bit fucked off too.