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People not understanding what no deal actually means?

493 replies

flashbac · 21/10/2020 01:15

Do you understand what it means? For food prices, crime enforcement, things that affect you?
Think we can just trade with the rest of the world come January? Easy as that? Do WTO rules ring a bell? Pound crashing?
Or do you think sunlit uplands await you?

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saltinesandcoffeecups · 22/10/2020 00:48

Can I just point out the irony to those of you bleating about the horrors of US meat, that I have been banned in the US from donating blood since the 90’s because of my consumption of good ol’ British Beef?

That pesky little Mad Cow outbreak and all.

Ok .. I’ve got that out of my system...carry on

longwayoff · 22/10/2020 06:43

Yes, @user1471565182, it's as if stupidity and ignorance have been spread amongst us with the virulence of Covid. And some people are so proud of it. Astonshed by how successfully the poison of the Right has spread, globally. Very depressing.

Asterion · 22/10/2020 09:35

@frumpety

I think Sarahandco is probably right but there is more money to be made pretending there might not be up until the very last minute.
If there isn't a deal already, there certainly will be one. We're getting past the 'EU nations blustering for their home audiences' stage (see fishing rights), and into the 'actually getting the job' done stage. It's always like this with the EU. No criticism intended, but all their trade deals go down to the wire.
Asterion · 22/10/2020 09:36

And beyond the wire, in fact - look what happened with the Canada deal.

Peregrina · 22/10/2020 09:45

I had always thought that in the USA people could sell blood if necessary. So it seems very odd that a druggie could donate, but someone who might not have eaten beef but lived in the UK at the time of the BSE scandal can't.

DynamoKev · 22/10/2020 10:04

@longwayoff

Yes, *@user1471565182*, it's as if stupidity and ignorance have been spread amongst us with the virulence of Covid. And some people are so proud of it. Astonshed by how successfully the poison of the Right has spread, globally. Very depressing.
I don't think that's a uniquely right-wing phenomenon.

A consequence of the wide availability of social media is that the ignorance that has always existed is now more apparent.

People who were previously clever and virtuous haven't suddenly been "infected" with ignorance.

longwayoff · 22/10/2020 11:12

As I said the poison of the Right has spread virulently. It is not the sole preserve of the ignorant but fills an empty gap in understanding. Populism is easily seized upon and exploited as it appeals to base instincts supported with simple explanations or just lies. I give you Donald Trump.

Asterion · 22/10/2020 11:15

@longwayoff

As I said the poison of the Right has spread virulently. It is not the sole preserve of the ignorant but fills an empty gap in understanding. Populism is easily seized upon and exploited as it appeals to base instincts supported with simple explanations or just lies. I give you Donald Trump.
And I give you Jeremy Corbyn and Len McClusky.
DynamoKev · 22/10/2020 11:21

@longwayoff

As I said the poison of the Right has spread virulently. It is not the sole preserve of the ignorant but fills an empty gap in understanding. Populism is easily seized upon and exploited as it appeals to base instincts supported with simple explanations or just lies. I give you Donald Trump.
Not about to defend Trump - but it's highly dangerous to characterise this as a right-only thing. I hardly think Joe Biden or Hilary Clinton (just two examples) were immune from using whatever populism they thought would work to gain votes.
longwayoff · 22/10/2020 11:33

That's fair, clearly not exclusive. Today's politics feel particularly vile as the Right is ascendant and thriving but the other side would, and has been, just as vile.

DynamoKev · 22/10/2020 11:39

The hardest part for me in recent years is the entrenched binary view of everything we seem to have at least partially imported from US politics.

Nowhere has that been more apparent as in the Brexit debate, where each side seems determined to characterise the other as sub-humans with no right to an opinion.

I am not a Tory supporter, but I prefer to argue about why I think Troy policies and politicians are wrong and bad for the UK (in my opinion) rather than just shouting "Tories are scum".

We seem to be falling into entrenched dogma.

Peregrina · 22/10/2020 12:05

I am not a Tory supporter, but I prefer to argue about why I think Troy policies and politicians are wrong and bad for the UK (in my opinion) rather than just shouting "Tories are scum".

But the Tory party has been highjacked by people who quite honestly appear to have no moral compass whatever.

Havanananana · 22/10/2020 12:14

Meanwhile back at the thread's original topic ... the impact of a No Deal Brexit:

Brexit: Food and drink companies tell Boris Johnson they will have to pull out of Northern Ireland because of his deal

Food and drink companies are set to quit Northern Ireland en masse because of "the added cost, complexity and trade friction" of doing business after Brexit, Boris Johnson's government has been told.

In a letter sent to cabinet ministers, the leaders of 39 food and drink industry bodies say the prime minster's Brexit deal means it will "no longer be practical for many of our businesses to supply good from Great Britain for sale in the Northern Ireland market"

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-northern-ireland-checks-food-drink-boris-johnson-b1221650.html

Remember, this was the great deal that Johnson proclaimed meant that he was going to 'Get Brexit Done.' The deal that was core to the Conservative election campaign last year and on which he secured his parliamentary majority.

It is the deal that he said he would never sign, that he falsely claimed would not result in a border in the Irish Sea, and that he ultimately ripped up by passing the Internal Markets legislation.

DynamoKev · 22/10/2020 12:14

@Peregrina

I am not a Tory supporter, but I prefer to argue about why I think Troy policies and politicians are wrong and bad for the UK (in my opinion) rather than just shouting "Tories are scum".

But the Tory party has been highjacked by people who quite honestly appear to have no moral compass whatever.

In my view that began with Thatcherism, (and it seems a few old Tories though so at the time too) but we still need to argue about the policies.
Brefugee · 22/10/2020 12:14

Can I just point out the irony to those of you bleating about the horrors of US meat, that I have been banned in the US from donating blood since the 90’s because of my consumption of good ol’ British Beef?

"bleat" really? this is why there can be no good discussion of this. It is the same pretty much everywhere in the world, as reagards British Blood from people who were in the UK during the BSE crisis.

The point about that is that cattle were being fed the diseased remains of ground up sheep. Which in a country that thinks it loves animals sounds bloody revolting, tbh. The point though is that when it came to light, practices were changed, there was a ban on British beef in the EU for years and years (not sure if it's allowed now? i only buy local). Same goes for when horse meat turned up in frozen ready meals. Regulations were changed and testing was tightened up.

Both things, IIRC, were discovered because of testing anyway. Same for recent scandals in other EU countries regarding out of date frozen meat having dates shaved off, new dates stamped on the carcasses and resold as being ok. Testing because of past scandals gets tightened. Anyone remember the lethal cooking oil in Spain in the 1970s? Most likely, unless they were buying it from the back of a lorry, it wouldn't happen now.

So it is not beyond comprehension that the next food scandal is around the corner, but we'll pick it up because of rigorous testing.

Each country (or trading bloc, such as the EU or NAFTA or the African Union) can set their own standards and it is up to sellers into those markets to know of and keep to regulations.

user1471565182 · 22/10/2020 12:18

If you think biden or clinton are left wing you're part of the problem.

Porcupineinwaiting · 22/10/2020 12:56

Well I was "bleating" about CJD in the 90s and I'm "bleating" about this now because I think food safety is important. Not sure what contradictions you think you are cunningly pointing out there. Hmm

ListeningQuietly · 22/10/2020 13:55

Brexit happened months ago.
There was a political deal.
Johnson signed it.
But he'd not read it and now does not like what he signed.

Why would the EU trust him to keep to a trade deal
when is government brings in legislation that knowingly breaks international law.

the UK is about to find out how small and insignificant it has become
sadly

nibdedibble · 22/10/2020 14:40

I think we’re going to read a steady stream of stories like the NI/food and drinks industries one, which will turn into a large wave washing over us come the New Year.

It’s been too complex to communicate the changes, never mind that people in different sectors haven’t always had clarity from government. I think the poor old public wouldn’t be able to take in the magnitude of what’s about to change in their normal lives.

Some people have only become aware of what VAT collection changes from Jan 1st really mean on the ground since William Shatner tweeted about no longer selling stuff from his shop into the U.K. Our world is about to become very small. Get your nice things from abroad while you can I guess.

Brefugee · 22/10/2020 15:17

Not sure what contradictions you think you are cunningly pointing out there.

it's use of the word "bleating" which indicates whiny snowflakes who should STFU which is how it's usually used.

mynameisbiggles · 22/10/2020 17:37

You really think that industry has been idling the last four yeas away waiting to see what happens? They already have deals in place to continue trading, food importers have been importing food from the rest of the world for years, not the EU. You forget, the UK is Capitalist. The EU is Peasantist. It was never going to work, we are fundamentally different in almost every aspect of our lives. So don't panic. It will be okay. You won't starve and our MP's will have to work for the fist time in 45 years. It'll be fine.

ShipOfTheseus · 22/10/2020 17:46

food importers have been importing food from the rest of the world for years, not the EU. You forget, the UK is Capitalist. The EU is Peasantist.

We were importing food because we were in the EU and there is a trade deal for countries outside of the EU to trade with the EU. We are no longer in the EU, so any importing food deals are now irrelevant. We have to create new ones - which we don’t seem to done, in the main. I’ve no idea what Peasantist means.

somthinginthewoodshed · 22/10/2020 17:46

One day soon, all those idiots that voted for Brexit will wake up!

ListeningQuietly · 22/10/2020 17:49

They already have deals in place to continue trading
R-i-g-h-t

Mary54 · 22/10/2020 17:57

I am going to be very selfish here. What no deal means to us at the moment is that neither my husband or I will be able to get a full pension either from the Uk or the EU country where we have been living for the last 20 years. In his case he is currently looking for work having just been made redundant at the age of 61. Despite having worked and paid taxes etc for 40 years, he cannot take early retirement and must either work or live off savings until he is 67.

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