People not understanding what no deal actually means?

[flashbac]

Do you understand what it means? For food prices, crime enforcement, things that affect you?
Think we can just trade with the rest of the world come January? Easy as that? Do WTO rules ring a bell? Pound crashing?
Or do you think sunlit uplands await you?

Sorry, I've not RTWT, so I'm sure others have made the following points before and probably better. Apologies. And Sorry for the long, long post.

Above and beyond cheap and easy access to food and meds, facilitated through being part of a large trading block, I think the worrying thing about no deal is the loss of access to systems such as Galileo global navigation satellite system, Schengen Information System (Member States share information to help policing across the continent) and the knock-on effect to counter-terrorism that that will have, and the negative effects to joint scientific research, for example. There are so many areas going out without a deal will have an impact on.

If we leave without any deal, we lose continuity of trade relations with the 72 countries that have trade deals in place with the EU. Our sovereignty is weakened not strengthened, as pooling aspects of a country’s sovereign power within a larger block, such as the EU, allows it to achieve national objectives that they could not realise alone, such as working towards climate change strategy, or lobbying a third state to back down from a point of conflict.

It's very sad but it's done, and we've left, but no deal is foolhardy and short-sighted. What really bothers me now is the way our Government has negotiated in bad faith. Europe is not our enemy, and the UK border in Ireland is an issue for them as much as for us because they have to protect Eire's interests. Johnson (& Cummings) negotiated in bad faith, and it doesn't play well on the world stage if we renege on treaties.

*"Scottish nationalism, atm, is even more bizarre. Leave the Uk and then transfer sovereignty to the EU."

• 'Wanting to remain shackled to a London government that treats you with contempt is bizarre.'*

I am sympathetic to Scotland. The Union campaign, and the Tory Government lied when they said the only definite way Scotland could stay in the EU was to remain part of the UK, and in less than a year they broke this promise. However, as a Londoner, I always feel it's unfair - and inaccurate, to refer to the Government as 'a London Government'. London voted to remain, and is majority Labour voting, so for the last 5 years has been subject to Tory-Leaver rule. Westminster is not London, and vice-versa. I would not blame Scotland for voting to leave the union, and envy them for having the opportunity.

Some of those that don't care are just part of the I'm alright Jack brigade.
They soon will...

They sicken me a tiny bit more than Brex$hite.

Anyone else noticing how the still-brexit lot defend their right to have an opinion more than they do that opinion itself?

My mother thought free-trade agreement meant it would be free for us to trade 🤔 🙄

I do wish people wouldn't vote without doing some research about what they're actually voting for

@SunscreenCentral

What No Deal means : in a nutshell

The UK is locked out of trading with Europe.

But everything comes from China anyway? Covid included! 😂

But everything comes from China anyway? Covid included!

Can’t tell if you’re joking or not. But stuff comes from China because the EU has a trade deal with China. The UK will no longer be part of that trade deal, therefore no imports from China until there is one. Not without huge taxes.

I know exactly what it means and "we are not amused".

I also wonder if everyone realises the majority of our health and safety standards and human rights laws are set by the EU? Food for thought.

Re farmers: our farmers are heavily subsidised by the EU and are set to take the worst hit.

We may become more self sufficient but that will take DECADES.

But stuff comes from China because the EU has a trade deal with China.

The EU has bilateral agreements with China but no FTA.

Germany trades particularly well with China, despite the lack of an FTA.

Stuff comes from china through Rotterdam and other EU ports, from where it is reloaded onto ships bound for the UK. This is because it's the easiest/most efficient way to operate (I.e. the cheapest).

Stuff from china will be more expensive in future.

Stuff comes from china through Rotterdam and other EU ports, from where it is reloaded onto ships bound for the UK. This is because it's the easiest/most efficient way to operate (I.e. the cheapest).
No.
Southampton and Liverpool and Tilbury deal with the majority of the UK's non EU trade
because the biggest cost on a shipment is the handling / offloading
not the transit itself

The key point is that the clearance paperwork on a container from China is done when its loaded onto the ship in Shanghai
so a 40 day window.

Goods coming from mainland EU to the UK are more likely to be groupage
and the time from embarkation to clearance can be as little as 40 minutes

OP I among quite a lot of my work colleagues working in an international trade area voted to leave the EU.

Obviously some voted to stay. We are all reasonably intelligent and had interesting discusdions about the decisions. We must be to do our jobs. So we are aware of the impact of leaving the EU. However, quite a few of us remember when there wasn't a single market and documentation was required to import and export goods to EU countries. This was the early 1990s. As a lot us know, if you wait long enough, the things that we changed come back into being again but just under a different name.

People don't like change and will rant and rave while it happens. But wait long enough and the unhappiness soon diminishes and we will move onto something else to chunter about. 😊

[quote amusedtodeath1]@KooKooKachu it's easy to make derigatory comments, but harder to actually defend your opinion with a sensible response. I really don't care what you think tbh, I'm sitting here not panicking about something that a) might not even happen, b) if it does happen it is highly unlikely to be as bad as is being made out here.

I hope you find some peace [/quote]
@amusedtodeath1 what do you think won't happen? Can you be specific?

However, quite a few of us remember when there wasn't a single market and documentation was required to import and export goods to EU countries.
Yup. So do I.
And only an idiot wats to go back to C88 on 150 part groupages coming off a 40 minute ferry ride thank you very much
especially when the Tunnel has no clearance area.

@ListeningQuietly

However, quite a few of us remember when there wasn't a single market and documentation was required to import and export goods to EU countries. Yup. So do I. And only an idiot wats to go back to C88 on 150 part groupages coming off a 40 minute ferry ride thank you very much especially when the Tunnel has no clearance area.

That's why there will be inland clearance areas. Better still the importers and exporters can get approval to make simplified declarations. There are also lots of other faciliations out there for importers and exporters to use unlike decades ago. Not everything is doom and gloom.

Grumpier
That's why there will be inland clearance areas.
If you believe in that you did NOT work in clearance before the single market.
Irish lorry drivers in Essex and inland clearance of Vietnamese folks
You think smuggling won't come back
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

People don't like change and will rant and rave while it happens. But wait long enough and the unhappiness soon diminishes and we will move onto something else to chunter about.

This is too glib a statement. If the Government had said from Day one that they didn't want deal with the EU and therefore this, this and a million other tasks had to be completed, and got on with it over 4 years ago, we would be a lot further forward. As it stands we have wasted those four years plus posturising and sloganising and now the change (whether there is a poor deal or no deal) is only weeks away. Yet firms still don't know what paperwork they will need.

"No Deal" simply means that Project Fear becomes Project Reality.

Nope - try again. It’s so much more security, food standards, health and safety standards, the Dublin agreement, trade with the rest of the world, no freedom of travel ... do I really need to go on?

It’s a complete shit show.

Why even bother discussing this? No deal was the reality when the masses voted for the clown who got a stonking majority. One thing he didn't lie about was was the fact he was prepared to walk away without a deal. He was voted in.. Get Brexit done.
13th December 2019 this conversation ceased to be necessary. I had never seen the polling stations as busy as they were.

I have and I feel sick about it.

It's the shortage of medicines that has me terrified.

@ListeningQuietly

Grumpier That's why there will be inland clearance areas. If you believe in that you did NOT work in clearance before the single market. Irish lorry drivers in Essex and inland clearance of Vietnamese folks You think smuggling won't come back HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Other smuggling is rife now. Where do you think a lot of the cheap booze in local shops comes from. Consequence of free movement of goods that a lot of us saw coming.

I do sometimes wonder if the EU are looking at Boris and thinking 'he wouldn't do something that would harm most of the UK's population would he ?' , forgetting that he has no moral compass to speak of. Will he do badly if the UK does ? No of course not, so really why should he care ? He could still set his stall up as a man of principle and sell it as the big bad EU doing all the bad and nasty stuff and millions of people would believe him for a while and then swan off into the sunset. I don't see him being PM for the full term, does anyone else ?

Omg the amount of people on here who have no idea or don’t care!! It’s truly scary and outrageous!!!! What did you all vote for?! I despair. That’s what happens when you let the “sheeple” vote and they have zero knowledge. Thanks David Cameron. And the Brexit ringleader AKA Bojo is now leading the country. We can see how well that’s going so far ............ 🤬

@Peregrina

People don't like change and will rant and rave while it happens. But wait long enough and the unhappiness soon diminishes and we will move onto something else to chunter about.

This is too glib a statement. If the Government had said from Day one that they didn't want deal with the EU and therefore this, this and a million other tasks had to be completed, and got on with it over 4 years ago, we would be a lot further forward. As it stands we have wasted those four years plus posturising and sloganising and now the change (whether there is a poor deal or no deal) is only weeks away. Yet firms still don't know what paperwork they will need.

And why was most of the last three years wasted? Because so many MPs spent their time trying to overrule the result of the referendum.

Also like people, some companies don't make arrangements for change until the very last minute.