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To want my husband at our baby scan?!!

308 replies

MrsBonnie · 20/10/2020 21:33

I have our first scan on Monday and have to go it alone... I'm so worked up worrying about getting bad news and having to hear it on my own.

You can do SO many things with other people, yet I can't go into a baby scan, both wearing masks, with my husband?!!

Am I being unreasonable to whinge about this?

OP posts:
Trousersareoverrated · 21/10/2020 07:10

We paid for an early scan so that my DH could be there. Could you do that? I’m now much less nervous about going to the 12 week on my own.

Caspianberg · 21/10/2020 07:10

I think the rules are given but often not stuck to.
My baby was born in May. Was told about dh not being able to come in or stay after more than 1hr etc.
In reality he was allowed in as soon as I was officially admitted (7am) - I went in at 6am so he spent 1hr waiting in car, stayed until ds was born (4pm), and then he left around 9pm and that was because it was getting late and he thought he should head off and not push it too much, he wasn’t actually thrown out.
Also where I went everyone was staying in private rooms not on wards to limit contact.

I do find it silly though that private places are fine allowing partners in for scans, but somehow it’s not possible on NHS. Most people I know who are pregnant now as paying for private scans if possible. Luckily I had all main scans before March lockdown.

MyMyMrThumb · 21/10/2020 07:10

YANBU.

NHS trusts have already been advised by the Matt Hancock and NHS England that they should no longer be doing this (there is an ongoing debate about this, look up #ButNotMaternity) and Boris Johnson said himself not so long ago that he wants to hear if this is still happening to women.

At the moment it is a postcode lottery as to what the restrictions are in different hospitals and it's not okay.

Last time I checked I think over 60 MPs had signed the petition to get this dealt with (including mine which I was surprised at because he's an arse!).

SueEllenMishke · 21/10/2020 07:10

@Bringonspring

YANBU I think it’s utterly outrageous. Personally I would take my husband and wait to be challenged.
You do realise that it's not the sonographer's or the department's decision don't you? So all you'd be doing is making life difficult for an individual sonographer who can refuse to scan a patient.

Yes it's shit but at the end of the day it's a medical appointment. Hospitals need to reduce the number of people attending plus many radiography departments don't have the room to allow patients and partners in the waiting while social distancing.

ifiwasascent · 21/10/2020 07:11

My friend is currently in hospital in labour at 26 weeks pregnant. Her husband isn't allowed with her until she's got contractions. She's 26 weeks she's so so early she's petrified- she's been moved from hospital to hospital trying to find the best care and her husband is sleeping in his car to be close. It's absolutely disgusting. There's petitions going round atm but it needs to change now!!!

JacobReesMogadishu · 21/10/2020 07:12

@GuyFawkesHadTheRightIdea

Sorry but if mask wearing works though, and the partner wears a mask just like the patient, what's the problem? Where's the risk? Or are we saying masks don't actually help at all and they're just a placebo to make people think they're helping protect others?
We’ll masks help but I don’t think anyone official has claimed they stop 100% of transmission. It reduces viral Particles/load, not eliminates it.

Which helps more when social distancing also takes place. In a small scan room you can’t social distance. Where I work scan rooms are small to maximise the amount of room’s available, so more scanning can take place. Scan slots are under pressure even in normal times due to service demands. So a scan room only just fits the couch and equipment in. With about a 6ftx2ft space by the side of the couch which in normal times the somographer and partner Have to squeeze in. So 3 people in very close proximity.

Having 3 people rather then 2 really raises the risk. So if the sonogrpher is infected, they’d probably be asymptomatic for a few days and carry on scanning. They’d infect numerous pregnant women and partners. Who would then also become potentially infectious and spread it about. So that would double the amount of people they spread it to rather than if it was just the woman who had been infected and spread it.

Then once the sonographer(S) has symptoms they go off sick .....there’s nationally a massive shortage of sonographers. Chances are the service wouldn’t be covered and people would miss scans.

ChellLdn · 21/10/2020 07:12

I found out at my 20 week scan, on my own, that my baby had died. The worst experience of my life and I regularly get flashbacks of being in that scan room. So yeah, it is unfair and YANBU.

MyMyMrThumb · 21/10/2020 07:12

Yes it's shit but at the end of the day it's a medical appointment. Hospitals need to reduce the number of people attending plus many radiography departments don't have the room to allow patients and partners in the waiting while social distancing

It's a load of rubbish when multiple hospitals around the country have lifted these restrictions though but others haven't, when they've been advised already by government to do so and NHS England.

It's individual trusts setting their own rules.

SoloMummy · 21/10/2020 07:13

@NameChange30

"Once you’re that far gone into labour most women really couldn’t give a shit who was there or not."

You don't speak for all women. Many women do care.

So you nearly died. Well some women nearly die giving birth. And some babies nearly die being born. Some women and babies actually do die.

Some women and babies actually do die. Yes they do, and I'm only very aware of that. However, noone dies as a result of having a scan alone. But it doubles any potential risk to the sonographer and other patients/staff in the hospital by having unnecessary and non patients in the hospital.

Those saying the baby is unplanned. Well, I won't get into the fsct that surely in a pandemic would be the time to ensure "mistakes" don't happen. But regardless, they have opted to keep the pregnancy knowing its the middle of a pandemic and that there HAVE understandably been changes with NHS procedures.

So yes it's not the idyllic view of the perfect sunset picture of a perfect pregnancy. But it's also not the end of the world and rather on focussing on the supposed perceived losses, focus on the positives, eg the baby.

SoloMummy · 21/10/2020 07:15

@ChellLdn

I found out at my 20 week scan, on my own, that my baby had died. The worst experience of my life and I regularly get flashbacks of being in that scan room. So yeah, it is unfair and YANBU.
That's an awful experience. And yes maybe having your oh would have offered some additional emotional support. But likelihood is that the flashbacks etc would still be the same. And I don't think that alone is a reason to add additional risk to other patients and hospital staff.
Goatinthegarden · 21/10/2020 07:16

@GlummyMcGlummerson

YANBU.

Why is it ALWAYS women that expected to be beaten with the shitty end of the stick?

Whilst I sympathise with women not being able to bring partners with them to scans; it really isn’t just women suffering. My father is terminally ill with cancer, suffering from dementia, doesn’t walk steadily and is in an awful lot of pain. He is also terrified of Covid and hospitals.

My mum has to drop him off alone for some of his appointments. His team have been wonderful and phone my mum to let her know what is happening (she sits in the car park for hours). It’s not ideal, but everyone is doing the best they can.

MyMyMrThumb · 21/10/2020 07:17

Here's a copy:

Dear Chairs and Chief Executives of NHS Trusts,

‘Devastated. Frightened. Powerless. Helpless. Shocked.’ That’s how one woman described the experience of being told, two days before her c-section, that she would not be allowed to have any family support in the room with her. It was, she said, ‘the hardest thing she has ever had to do’.
And she is not alone.

According to a recent Make Birth Better report, hundreds of women have experienced extremely
difficult pregnancies over the COVID-19 pandemic without any partner support at the most exciting, but also nerve-wracking, time of their lives.

Pregnancy is hard at the best of times. Exciting, but a great unknown. Each scan can bring surprises, both happy and tragic. Since the national lockdown was lifted, vast numbers of pregnant women have continued to sit alone in hospital rooms, without their partner or a family member as they hear life-changing news. Their partners have been locked out of scans and
hospital rooms, anxiously separated from the people they love most in the world with no idea whether the outcome would be as they hoped, or as they desperately feared. This must change.

The Government has given NHS Trusts guidance that states women should be permitted to have a
partner with them for all scans and at all stages of labour. Yet, as MPs we continue to be contacted by constituents devastated about the rules being put in place by hospitals refusing partners attendance.

Mary from Sutton Coldfield shared her experience: “I found out alone at my 12 week scan that my baby had died...I then had to go through surgery alone as they wouldn’t let my husband into the ward. I wish that no one has to go through this alone in future as it’s awful.”

Or Athena’s experience in Windsor, who had to endure more than four weeks of hospital visits and tests “alone” as she experienced a missed miscarriage.

These stories, and many more, were shared with Pregnant Then Screwed, a pregnancy advocacy organisation who works with Make Birth Better, and is campaigning to ensure women and their partners can support one another through pregnancy and birth.

We are failing women if restrictive support policies in pregnancy are allowed to continue one moment longer than they need to. That is why the Health Secretary Matt Hancock has issued formal guidance that NHS Trusts should allow women to have a supportive person with them for all scans and during every stage of labour.

Unfortunately, some NHS Trusts have been dragging their feet.

National lockdown has been lifted for a few months now, and as such we write today to urge all NHS Trusts to immediately allow partners or one close family member to attend all scans, (even if they may only enter the building for the scan itself) and to attend all stages of labour. This should also be swiftly communicated to expectant mothers and their support networks.

We have raised just three examples of families in the United Kingdom who have endured unimaginable anguish in their pregnancy, but there are thousands more stories that have not been told. Stories of women who have been traumatised by a lack of support at one of the most challenging times of their lives, and who have experienced real tragedy with no one by their side. And of course, women who have not been able to share their radiant joy as they watch their baby grow and give
birth.

Pregnancy, with all its ups and downs, is not something that should be experienced alone. Women deserve better than that. Partners deserve better than that. If mental health, and the health of pregnant women, is a top priority for NHS Trusts, they must all follow Government guidance and immediately loosen restrictions on who can join pregnant women in hospitals for scans and at all stages of labour. Our pregnant women are owed nothing less.

HOUSE OF COMMONS
LONDON SW1A 0AA

CatteStreet · 21/10/2020 07:17

I've had bad news at scans many times (6 mcs). For almost all of them dh wasn't there. I've also been for 4 ERPCs by myself and given birth (emergency ventouse) while dh was outside with our then 2yo (having dropped me off and assumed he would be going away again to come back later - then it all kicked off). It was all fine (as fine as these things can be). Tbh, certainly with the mcs, after a while I preferred to get on with the miserable routine alone. And during the birth I was really focused on other things.

Nobody wants to deny women the support they need, but the fact is, as a PP says above, that the additional bodies in the room do raise an already high risk for those performing the scans/looking after women etc. For the actual birth, as far as possible, yes, someone should be able to be there. For early labour, grey area IMO. For scans, I think at this time it does need to be limited, with the option of the partner waiting outside and being called in if there is bad news.

Roselilly36 · 21/10/2020 07:18

I would be upset too, of course you want DH to be there.

I attended a hospital appt with my 19 yo DS yesterday, the letter said he should come alone, I called hospital explained he was anxious etc & I was able to attend with him. So yes I would say, ring the hospital and ask.

Good luck OP, it’s an exciting journey. I am mum to two DS’s and it’s the absolute best thing I have ever done, loved it all and would do it all again in a heartbeat if I could. Enjoy.

MyMyMrThumb · 21/10/2020 07:18

The point is for me is that hospitals have been told to stop doing this and they haven't. This is not government guidance.

SueEllenMishke · 21/10/2020 07:19

@MyMyMrThumb

Yes it's shit but at the end of the day it's a medical appointment. Hospitals need to reduce the number of people attending plus many radiography departments don't have the room to allow patients and partners in the waiting while social distancing

It's a load of rubbish when multiple hospitals around the country have lifted these restrictions though but others haven't, when they've been advised already by government to do so and NHS England.

It's individual trusts setting their own rules.

It's not a load if rubbish. Yes it is down to individual trusts but they can't magic up space and make the waiting rooms or scanning rooms any bigger.

Some areas have separate units with lots of space, multiple entrances and exits etc but many don't and it's those that find it difficult to accommodate partners.

MyMyMrThumb · 21/10/2020 07:22

And definitely the labour part. What difference does it make having someone there from the start or from 4cm onwards?

loobylou44 · 21/10/2020 07:29

Yea it's rubbish but scan appointments aren't the only hospital appointments that are only allowing the patients to attend. My poor dad had to be told he had cancer when he was on his own.
Horrible situation for everyone.

Time2change2 · 21/10/2020 07:31

It’s not great - quite a worry and disappointment but reading this, I suddenly realised my DH didn’t come into any of my scans with my DC 10 years ago! He waited outside for the 12 week one and then was working for the 20 week. I was nervous going in but they were only suggesting mum go in, not partners!
I know someone who had to face their child’s cancer diagnosis alone recently. Now that is shit.

OllyBJolly · 21/10/2020 07:41

When did scans become family outings? In the 90s it was very unusual for partners to accompany women to scans - and yes, I did have the dreaded bad news at one of mine and had to drive home.

if both people attending are in the same bubble, what exactly is the increased risk?

Twice as many possibilities of contamination and infection?

ChristmasDeliverySlots · 21/10/2020 07:43

I think YANBU to find this very hard but YABU re the policy. Maternity care is doing its best for all women and babies it cares for and husbands being present does increase the risk which in turn could affect the availability of staff for other mothers or increase infection among vulnerable pregnant women and unborn babies or new mums/babies.

It is really hard. I'm due soon and did scans alone, I have also had bad news in previous pregnancies (miscarriage and then finding out that something was wrong with DC1)

I'll also most likely need to give birth alone as due to restrictions and shielding there is now nobody who can look after DC1 other than DH. He'll also need to return to work as soon as I'm out c section or not and there will be nobody who can help

It is a bit rubbish but I understand it all and am grateful precautions are being taken

Kaceywd · 21/10/2020 07:53

Yanbu I spent my whole pregnancy crying about this and I have a bit of ptsd from my c section (husband allowed for the actual surgery and half hour with us, after that had to leave, spent the day and night alone with the baby, midwives really unhelpful, next day he wasn't even allowed to help me carry my stuff, had to go downstairs with my bags and baby on my own) I spent the first week sobbing about how awful it was. I hope you can have him for the rest of the scans and delivery x

thetangleteaser · 21/10/2020 07:53

YANBU to feel a bit upset that he’s missing it but then you’ve just got to look at the bigger picture. In my trust the scan rooms are literally tiny boxes and the waiting from tiny and doubles as a waiting room for consultant appointments, there’s no way you could practice social distancing with double the people there. You couldn’t reduce the service to allow it as most scans are tome sensitive and they are already at capacity and struggle to fit everyone in. Also as no one knows the affect of C19 on unborn babies, any attempt to reduced possible transmission is essential I think.

People saying that it makes no sense as they live in the same house, my friend and her husband tested positive, her three teenage sons that live with her, all negative.

FreshHorizons · 21/10/2020 07:55

YANBU but they are the rules so at the moment you will have to abide by them.

mincepiesalready · 21/10/2020 08:01

Just as an FYI again it might have changed but I had a private scan at 8 weeks in may and I had to attend that alone.

But people asking why that was different - I can only speak for the one I went to but the room was much larger for starters. The appointments were scheduled on time so no waiting around.

The problem is for a while now scans have been seen as family outings, people buy the photos and put them in frames and that’s all fine. I understand it’s horrible if you get bad news but it’s not as if any bit of bad news is somehow cancelled by someone being physically there. This is a personal thing but I would rather have bad news alone and process it. Expressing a preference for this though is no longer socially acceptable pre Covid.

A child might have two parents but that happens when it’s born and until that point it’s about the woman. It has to be.