John Leslie - AIBU to agree that men accused of sexual assault should have anonymity until charged?

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Having 3 sons myself (and a daughter), cases like this are really worrying as people will always think ‘there’s no smoke without fire’.

I don’t understand why John Leslie didn’t sue the arse off that jibbering imbecile Wright or why Jonsson started the witch hunt then refused to speak out. That was what started off all the rest of the allegations and if, as it seems, he is entirely innocent, it is a disgusting travesty and has totally ruined his life.

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@goldenharvest

Teach your sons not to rape and they should be fine

This is as disgusting as telling daughters not to wear short skirts.

Why?

@goldenharvest

Teach your sons not to rape and they should be fine

This is as disgusting as telling daughters not to wear short skirts.

Really? Can you explain?

@goldenharvest

Teach your sons not to rape and they should be fine

This is as disgusting as telling daughters not to wear short skirts.

Don't be stupid.

*This is as disgusting as telling daughters not to wear short skirts.

Why?*

It implies men rape because women haven’t taught them not to. Whereas in reality, nobody rapes because they weren’t taught, they do it because they don’t care.

@ToastyCrumpet

Don’t read the tabloids then. I don’t know anything at all about this story because I haven’t read one of those rags in 40 years.

If you don't know anything about the story it is not just the tabloids that you don't need.

Having 3 sons myself (and a daughter)

Being falsely accused of anything can of course essentially be life ending, it can lead to people loses jobs, families, their children.

However releasing the names of those accused sometimes leads to more victims coming forward, which in the cause of the accused being guilty can help to secure a prosecution.

Oh fuck off

@TheQuietWoman

Hear, bloody hear. The comment you replied to was sickening and steeped in misogyny and rape culture. Eurgh.

@Awalkintime

TheQuietWoman I couldn't agree with you more.

I am one of those who were raped and it never got to court. I have a confession. I am not sure how much more evidence you need to convict someone than their own words?

I am one of the ones who are silenced, not allowed to name my rapist, not allowed to explain and own what happened to me, not allowed justice. Going to the police was horrific and if some of you think that women do this because they are vindictive nasty women you are very much mistaken. The process is traumatic, humiliating and degrading.

The very fact we live in a society where victim blaming is the norm and the fact we don't believe women has ruined my life.

I am so sorry AWalkInTime. This tiny part of society right here believes you.

@flaviaritt

*This is as disgusting as telling daughters not to wear short skirts.

Why?*

It implies men rape because women haven’t taught them not to. Whereas in reality, nobody rapes because they weren’t taught, they do it because they don’t care.

I'm not really sure about that tbh. Maybe if you are a rapist lurking in a dark alley waiting to rape a woman at knifepoint then maybe you won't give a shit. But that's rare.

A lot of people have very strange ideas about what consent is. So I don't think it's wrong for boys to be taught about consent and boundaries from an early age.

@CuteOrangeElephant

In the Netherlands criminal's names are reported like John L until they've been convicted.

I feel that's much fairer. In this day and age especially with Google etc. Think of that poor couple who got accused of flying the drones around Heathrow. They are now forever associated with it.

I think that's really good way to do it.

I have no problem with anyone being charged with rape/murder whatever crime being named. Becaue to be charged, there has to be a significant amount of evidence pointing in your direction. It has to be at least feasible that you were the rapist/murderer/burglar whatever. This wasn't just some poor, innocent bloke, minding his own business, getting on with a blameless life. He's been accused of rape and sexual assault, multiple times, by multiple women over multiple years. I'm fine with that fact being in the public domain, however close he skirts the line.

I think there's also a lit of misconception about this. You aren't automatically named and shamed just because someone accuses you of rape or sexual assault.

I was sexually assaulted five years ago. I reported it to the police who investigated it but it ended up being my word against his so the case was dropped. He wasn't named and shamed. Even putting his unusual name into Google doesn't being anything up. The only people who knew who he was were people the police interviewed and they also clearly identified me in those interviews. So we weren't treated any differently.

YANBU. To me honest it frustrates me, as a woman, that in rape cases woman are given anonominity but men are named, and even if found not guilty it still sticks ( and don’t forget some woman’s have admitted they made it up), but as a woman you may still be found out by just turning up to court and someone recognising you

I would like to see all cases as no names until after the court case, for everything.

@Cadent

Having 3 sons myself

Teach your sons not to rape and they should be fine.

Exactly this.

I have young adult sons, and made damned sure they know all about consent and boundaries.

If you aren't raising your sons to know this, you're a failure as a parent.

It's publicising the name that allows all the other women to come forward. Harvey Weinstein would still be a frere man is it weren't for women all speaking up together.

@Chloemol have you read anyone else's comments? At all?

@Nestme

I have no problem with anyone being charged with rape/murder whatever crime being named. Becaue to be charged, there has to be a significant amount of evidence pointing in your direction. It has to be at least feasible that you were the rapist/murderer/burglar whatever. This wasn't just some poor, innocent bloke, minding his own business, getting on with a blameless life. He's been accused of rape and sexual assault, multiple times, by multiple women over multiple years. I'm fine with that fact being in the public domain, however close he skirts the line.

Exactly. John Leslie has been accused and charged several times. There have been rumours that he is a sleaze for years and often rumours do have an element of truth to them.

[quote toconclude]@TheQuietWoman

Hear, bloody hear. The comment you replied to was sickening and steeped in misogyny and rape culture. Eurgh.[/quote]

It enrages me. They think nothing of the 100% of male rapists who lie about their depravity and who say shocking things about their victims but the 3% of accusations made by women that are deemed to be false? Then it's burn them all!🤬

From I’ve read just now, Leslie couldn’t sue Wright as to win a libel case you have to be able to prove what you are accused of is untrue. How can you prove something didn’t happen if the alleged victim won’t say what actually did.

Jonsson would have known there would a lot of media interest into who it was she was accusing. She should have named him if she was writing about it in a book for public consumption, and cooperated with the police investigation. She could have used it as a platform for other rape victims to come forward. Odd that she didn’t. She got a lot of publicity about it.

Of all of the many, many things wrong with the justice system regarding rape and sexual assault, this should be the absolute least of your worries, it is an absolutely tiny problem in comparison to conviction rates and what happens to the victim if, by some miracle, it happens to get to court.

I've taught my sons about consent and boundaries. And I've checked they get it and had the 'muuum' eye roll.

Given how few rapes get reported. How few reported rapes get taken to court. What are the chances of a case making it to court being a malicious accusation? Vanishingly small.

My friend met John Leslie years ago (before any accusations) and said he was the sleaziest man ever. So that may impact my view on this.

@flaviaritt

*This is as disgusting as telling daughters not to wear short skirts.

Why?*

It implies men rape because women haven’t taught them not to. Whereas in reality, nobody rapes because they weren’t taught, they do it because they don’t care.

Not women, but society as a whole does teach men it is ok to rape. Not overtly, but there is a rape culture where slut-shaming, denial of rape, victim blaming, minimising of rape are common. Look at OP lambasting Jonsson and a pp calling her nasty and vindictive.