Circuit break in england?

[Ilovegreentomatoes]

Do you think boris will announce one by the end of the week? It would make sense to coincide with schools half term.
I think we need one, cases rising everywhere with the potential of higher death rates.
All these tier lockdowns are rubbish and confusing imo a 2 week circuit break is the best way forward to keep things under some control.

@QueenofLean I’m not up to date on the figures but are you sure %positivity is declining? There’s been a push on social media etc to stop people with symptoms seeking tests to prevent restrictions etc

I don’t know if declining positive tests is an accurate representation of what’s happening.

Nope. Resit GCSEs begin on 2nd November and run for 2 weeks for Eng lang and Maths. They can't screw those children again.

[quote Oaktree55]@QueenofLean I’m not up to date on the figures but are you sure %positivity is declining? There’s been a push on social media etc to stop people with symptoms seeking tests to prevent restrictions etc

I don’t know if declining positive tests is an accurate representation of what’s happening.[/quote]
Yes I am sure. And I haven’t seen anything about people here being encouraged not to test... in fact I know loads of people who have tested recently due to having a temp or cough alongside a cold and I don’t know anyone whose has been positive.

Whether or not a period of greater restrictions around half-term makes sense, it is not going to happen in England. Possible in Wales.

SAGEs most sensible suggestion on 21 September was university tuition being entirely online, which would have reduced travelling and contacts of students (where most of the high levels are now). It didn't happen.

Circuit breaker is a PR term, it sounds like it will work more effectively than lockdown

No - as another poster pointed out, Circuit Breaker (CB!) is the terminology used by the Singapore government throughout the pandemic!

Or how about we don't "stand by" and instead everyone behaves more carefully, and take responsibility, rather than all these "last hourah" drink ups and socials I keep seeing photos of.*

To unite people to a common cause takes strong leadership

@rwalker

If track and trace the answer then we are fucked only 1 in 5 isolate properly. You can have the best track and trace system in the world but the hard truth is the majority won't comlpy . We hear all sorts of figures about how many people traced ( about 60%) the problem is a lot of people give false details or won't answer the 0330 number or withheld number any system is as good as the information that goes in . The easy option is to blame the government rather than people take some personal responsibility . Our rules are far from perfect but if people followed them it would only improve the situation. The amount of people who are like petulant kids just repeating there confused then find out for yourself from gov website. They have tried to do restrictions to cover EVERYONES circumstance which there are millions of permitations . We had a national lockdown the 90 days later back to square one we need restrictions we can live with locking down long term is not a feasible option. We need to be more realistic what we can achieve we can't get rid of covid we need to live with it .

All of this.

Way too many people not complying with track and trace and the tiered system. They'll all ignore any circuit breaker rules too. It would just screw the economy even more.

@rwalker Who says only 1 in 5 isolate? and what is the evidence for this? How on earth could you know? i doubt anyone owns up to breaking the law......

All very well diverting blame onto the public but what about the Govt's role in all of this, TnT PPE lack of testing and ignoring the SAGE recommendations in Sept and that's before we talk about Cummings and loss of trust in the Govt that caused.

I live in the northwest and we're on tier 3, to be honest i don't think they should have sent the students back as that is contributing to our numbers. I have a friend who lives in the middle of a massive student residential area and apparently they are back and forth in each others houses without a thought for social distancing and bubbles. It drives me mad as everyone i know has been sticking to the rules etc and now we're all being punished despite being quite sensible about what we've been doing

@Ilovegreentomatoes

Boris needs to take action not just keep giving out confusing information that even his own party can't get to grips with.

... BJ keeps confusing the rules himself, so how the hell can the public keep up

When he answered a question about Tier 3 the other day, he said that sometimes parents and young children might not be able to see each other,

Wrong:
NRPs can still see their kids - this is one of the exceptions, like in lockdown

However, BJ seems to have past form for dodging parental responsibilites !

Circuit breaker is just renaming lockdown,
because the word "lockdown' is politically radioactive

Renaming a problem has been a British government trick - under both parties - for decades, like Sellafield / Windscale

@BigChocFrenzy it’s not renaming. It’s copying the highly successful Circuit Breakers Singapore have carried out since March.

Singapore coined the phrase and for once nine months in our Government has finally copied something from a highly successful country.

CIRCUIT BREAKER IS A SINGAPOREAN CONCEPT

[quote Oaktree55]@BigChocFrenzy it’s not renaming. It’s copying the highly successful Circuit Breakers Singapore have carried out since March.

Singapore coined the phrase and for once nine months in our Government has finally copied something from a highly successful country.

CIRCUIT BREAKER IS A SINGAPOREAN CONCEPT[/quote]
Yes but should our government choose to implement a circuit breaker you just know the only thing common to the UK and Singapore version will be the name!

[quote Oaktree55]@BigChocFrenzy it’s not renaming. It’s copying the highly successful Circuit Breakers Singapore have carried out since March.

Singapore coined the phrase and for once nine months in our Government has finally copied something from a highly successful country.

CIRCUIT BREAKER IS A SINGAPOREAN CONCEPT[/quote]
No it is not because Bojo has said he doesn't want a circuit break/lock down.
Bojo is using the language of Tiers... probably ours.

Tears would be a better description of Tiers. As in it’s going to end in tears

The tiers were meant to simplify restrictions, except we already have Tier 3a (Liverpool) and Tier 3b (Lancashire) with different rules. The simple fact is you cannot please everyone in this scenario and compliance is very poor in my area-Manchester (should be in Tier 3, but I think we are waiting on financial support package). The problems I have with full lockdown is 1) 2 weeks will probably not be long enough 2) schools are not ready for online learning-to throw my opinion in it was madness to allow all schools and unis back at once 3) People are tired of restrictions. There will not be the same compliance this time around imo 4) Effect on mental health

That being said, we personally have remained as "locked down" as we were when the national one was implemented, except for schools. This is an option for anyone who feels strongly about it and is able to do so. We all have choices we can make here-I don't need to be told to not mix with lots of other families or go to pubs, our area is high risk it is common sense to limit where we go etc.

I will therefore happily comply with lockdown, we are doing it anyway. But it really needs to be balanced against the implications of locking down and also how you intend to get people to comply properly.

That being said, we personally have remained as "locked down" as we were when the national one was implemented, except for schools

But presu,ably shops are open (as opposed just to food shops and pharmacies)?

If you take a country with low cases like Thailand, with no vaccine they will do this too but later

In Thailand the measures are very strict in the community and in schools and our half measures can't really compare.

All kids are wearing masks in schools from 2 years up. There are no exemptions for mask wearing either. All kids and staff have had training on how to wear masks.

My friend works in a school there and they have had very few cases in the area 4 or 5 months and non in schools that she is aware of. They have invested heavily in cleaning for schools. Extra sinks have been put in. Teams of cleaners have been employed and constantly clean the bathrooms and then do a full clean of the classrooms at each break. A team of cleaners come in the minute the kids go outside and completely clean the whole room.

Temperature checks at the door and she said parents have a weird obsession with runny noses and keep their kids off if they have a runny nose. She said it is quite bizarre that kids with colds are kept off school but she said that is the norm for parents regardless of covid or not.

None of these measures....tiers, circuit breakers, lockdowns....mean anything if people don’t comply.

Any behavioural scientist will tell you that the longer something goes on, the less compliance you will get. It’s human nature.

The government have been advised as such all along and that’s why they tried to time the March lockdown carefully as they only had one chance to do it and get full compliance. But they’ve played that card now. So what can they do, other than try and keep it ‘fair’ (by only imposing measures where needed) and try to persuade us? Like they are with Manchester right now.

But presu,ably shops are open (as opposed just to food shops and pharmacies)?

Yes, they are I haven't personally been to any though. Food shop and pharmacy that is it. I order anything else we need online.

dcont understand the welsh lockdwn

schools open so can still spread whats the point

I won't cope if there's another lockdown, I just won't. It won't be two weeks it'll be months and months and months like before. I can't do it again

@GabsAlot

dcont understand the welsh lockdwn

schools open so can still spread whats the point

Probably because it's not spreading through schools. I'm in Wales and our local authority released the transmission data and 7.4% of cases were within schools. The area I'm in is one of the highest in Wales and has been in lockdown for weeks.

@GabsAlot

dcont understand the welsh lockdwn

schools open so can still spread whats the point

Because the idea is to limit the spread - it's impossible to stop it altogether, so there's no point having that as a goal.

If the spread stops at schools (because the vast majority of parents aren't working or are WFH), then the less chance it has to run rampant through the community.

not half term everywhere in England