Circuit break in england?

[Ilovegreentomatoes]

Do you think boris will announce one by the end of the week? It would make sense to coincide with schools half term.
I think we need one, cases rising everywhere with the potential of higher death rates.
All these tier lockdowns are rubbish and confusing imo a 2 week circuit break is the best way forward to keep things under some control.

@Oaktree55

People do realise that restrictions are being imposed all over Europe? Even Sweden. This is a general consensus view across many countries as the only way forward as bar Germany we’ve all failed to get a grip of this.

People seem to think we won’t get tighter restrictions yet the whole of Europe is tightening up daily. Bizarre. I know I’m a realist but blimey some people really do live their lives not facing reality.

How many European countries have re-entered full national lockdowns?

@rwalker

If track and trace the answer then we are fucked only 1 in 5 isolate properly. You can have the best track and trace system in the world but the hard truth is the majority won't comlpy . We hear all sorts of figures about how many people traced ( about 60%) the problem is a lot of people give false details or won't answer the 0330 number or withheld number any system is as good as the information that goes in . The easy option is to blame the government rather than people take some personal responsibility . Our rules are far from perfect but if people followed them it would only improve the situation. The amount of people who are like petulant kids just repeating there confused then find out for yourself from gov website. They have tried to do restrictions to cover EVERYONES circumstance which there are millions of permitations . We had a national lockdown the 90 days later back to square one we need restrictions we can live with locking down long term is not a feasible option. We need to be more realistic what we can achieve we can't get rid of covid we need to live with it .

I'm glad you said this as I saw a thread on here recently where many people were saying that they give false details so how is the Test & Trace system ever supposed to work properly?

No I dont think He will.. thank god.

@AlternativePerspective people on a low income need to be properly paid and supported to self isolate.

Re compliance, I understand that one criticism of SAGE etc assessments of the impact of a mini-lockdown is their underyling assumption that compliance levels will the same as in March, which is about as realistic as expecting Santa to distribute a vaccine off the back of his sleigh.

I think we need to get people to stick to the rules first...
If there is a lockdown proposed in X days time, then for X days people will just go on a mad social mixing spree. Achieving the opposite. Same would happen if restrictions are eased. So we should just keep going and not wreck the economy any further.

@Ilovegreentomatoes

So do we just standby and let the virus get out of control?

Or how about we don't "stand by" and instead everyone behaves more carefully, and take responsibility, rather than all these "last hourah" drink ups and socials I keep seeing photos of.

@IcedPurple Israel. Every European country is tightening daily. This evening Italy. It’s heading that way not to the degree of first lockdown as obviously that won’t be necessary but they will start to take control of what they can because telling households not to mix doesn’t work well enough.

It’s a bit late seeing as dd is already on half term.

A lot of people are also just not going to places that are doing track and trace. Thats not selfish surely as it achieves an even better outcome Covid wise as you are not going AT ALL

I didnt go to pubs and restaurants pre Covid. Why would i now? I havent been in a coffee shop since March.

My hairdressers have my details. an address, mobile and landline no. My phone is too old for the app.

@QueenofLean

We’re in England and half term has already started so he’ll have to work quickly.

Half term begins on Thursday

[quote Oaktree55]@IcedPurple Israel. Every European country is tightening daily. This evening Italy. It’s heading that way not to the degree of first lockdown as obviously that won’t be necessary but they will start to take control of what they can because telling households not to mix doesn’t work well enough.[/quote]
So the only 'European' country you mention as re-imposing full nationwide lockdown is actually in Asia?

Yes, many are tightening restrictions but no European country has (yet) re-imposed a full nationwide lockdown.

@IcedPurple you seem to forget we’re still in October I don’t know what you think is going to happen 🤷🏽‍♀️. If we were February there might be a chance of limping through.

I doubt it, too much strain on the economy. Already started a 2 week Half Term here (South East).

No I don’t think they will or should do it yet. It will get far worse once we are in the full swing of flu season. I think we need to ride this one out for now and see how the hospitals cope first. As for the testing, the PCR test is too sensitive and the antibody test does not pick up everyone either who had the virus so the data is not the most reliable. For the large majority of people and the young this virus is not dangerous. The university stats are actually quite helpful evidence. If hospitals do become overwhelmed people will know and adjust their behaviour accordingly ie not leave the house much.

Yours might. We finished for half term on Friday. Back on the 26th.

The quote didn’t work... that was for @DC3Dakota

[quote Oaktree55]@IcedPurple you seem to forget we’re still in October I don’t know what you think is going to happen 🤷🏽‍♀️. If we were February there might be a chance of limping through.[/quote]
What's with all the patronising 'You do realise..' and 'You seem to forget...' stuff, complete with inane shoulder shrugging emojis?

I don't know what's going to happen. Neither do you. That's not what I asked you about. As of now, no European country has reimposed full lockdown. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But as yet, they have not, so the UK Is not exceptional in that sense.

The hospitals in wales are a major major problem. Our swabs are not coming back from ED for 24 hours, by which point patients are transferred to wards (not enough single cubicles) and then infecting 5 other people in the bay, plus the doctors, nurses and their families. We have 20 cases off one patient this week :( full PPE and everything. I'm so angry about it all

Government have reiterated local approach.

Why would it benefit us if Cornwall had to close businesses if Liverpool does?

I think wales does need to lock down borders because our bordering hospitals cant cope with additional english holiday makers (not meant in an offensive way)

@IcedPurple I think anyone with any intelligence knows that there’ll be more restrictions over the next three months. Patronising is it to say that? I get bored of the head in the sand by the majority.

As for what’s preferable for the economy yes a circuit breaker a few weeks back and some certainty is better for business than the current climate.

Dont see the point, they will lockdown for 2 weeks, everyone forced to stay home, numbers will plummet - hooray! - they will open back up and the numbers will go up again. We're on half term here. I want the children to be in school - they need it more than anyone.

The only way this is properly going to get resolved is through a vaccine i think.

Ridiculous idea
Firstly half term varies.. Dd is already on two weeks half term, dsd starts hers week after.
Secondly what exactly do people think will happen.. The virus will take umbrage and bugger off cus we all stayed home for two weeks..
Possibly pe could be infected on day 1 of this circuit break and become symptomatic on day 15 when it ends.. Or remain asymptomatic and start spreading it again..
Two weeks will do nothing much...
So few people prepared to follow rules now, most are onky guidelines anyway.. Do we really belive a two week halt on activities will make any difference.. And what's more.. Should we actually be doing such draconian things? Cases maybe high, but death rates are small compared to death rates of other illness..
The scare mongering about case numbers is possibly the most successful thing this government has done.

I don’t think it “makes sense” to do it in half term. I think kids need to be able to enjoy their half term. Adults without children have just had several weeks enjoying nice cheap holidays and the like.