Circuit break in england?

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Do you think boris will announce one by the end of the week? It would make sense to coincide with schools half term.
I think we need one, cases rising everywhere with the potential of higher death rates.
All these tier lockdowns are rubbish and confusing imo a 2 week circuit break is the best way forward to keep things under some control.

If they shut schools I would worry that they would remain shut for most kids like before with the debate raging about whether they were safe or not safe and kids education being a political football.

Those of you who are in favour of a “2 week circuit breaker” - No one has answered the question - what happens if case numbers haven’t dropped after 2 weeks?

@Teateaandmoretea

And the effective test, trace, isolate which can cope when the numbers aren’t so huge. But Johnson won’t sort that either, so you’re probably right, it’s probably pointless in England. 63% tracing of conacts. It’s 96% in Wales.

And the covid rate in Wales is so much better than England 🙄.

Quite simply OP it would achieve nothing apart from economic misery.

Actually it is better. Last 14 days of stable figures - 30/9 to 13/10: England 303.3 NI 615.4 Scotland 256.9 Wales 245.1 All cases/100k of population. Is it such a shock someone is doing better than Boris?

@Teateaandmoretea

Wales’ data is better than England’s in recent weeks

I think you need to check out the up to date infection rates

I have. See my message above...

no he wont want to be seen to be doing something labour suggested

Pass. I'm in a tier 3 area and people are breaking that already. Cocktail bars doing sharing food platters to stay open, everyone tagging their mates in the comments "we should go/sat night etc etc" when we aren't meant to be mixing
I don't see what other option they have because people don't want to follow the restrictions, and if cases keep going up and people don't listen then they're going to shut stuff so people physically can't go

@GabsAlot

no he wont want to be seen to be doing something labour suggested

Thats it unless he renames it. Fire break like Wales? Sunak stop? Boris Break? Patel pause? Who knows.

He has u turned before though.

Circuit breaker is just a headline grabber.

There is literally no point closing the country for two weeks, the lesser affected areas will be affected economically and two weeks isn’t nearly long enough to make a difference.

As for track and trace, how many people even on here have said they refuse to comply, won’t give out the right number etc etc etc.

My personal view is that the only way to change track and trace would be to make all establishments reservation only, with the person reserving being forced to give a phone number to which a confirmation text will be sent. they then have to reply to said text, and if they don’t they don’t get allowed in. Anyone refusing gets a £10000 fine.

Certainly bring in higher restrictions for e.g. Manchester, but scrap the tier system, ban all household mixing and put in curfews as they have in France...

As for Wales, it’s by no means a done deal.Ministers are still debating, and there are plenty who say that they will vote against.

I don't think it will happen thankfully. I don't believe anything positive would come out of it.

Anyone refusing gets a £10000 fine

I don’t get this. So they’re not allowed in if they refuse to leave their number, but they get a £10,000 fine anyway? Even if they haven’t gone anywhere? Surely if they refuse they’re not allowed to go and that’s the end of it?

So, ban all household gatherings now, and if there has to be a lockdown, do it over Christmas when a huge number of businesses are closed anyway.

Anyone refusing gets a £10000 fine

At what point would they get the £10,000 fine?! When they were on the internet making a reservation and they didn’t give their phone number?

@MarshaBradyo

Someone on R4 said circuit breaker was a PR term. Ie it sounds like it’ll work more effectively than lockdown. It won’t and lockdown was long for a reason. It took a ages to get numbers down.

No I don’t think so. Government messages have been no, but not rule out.

Plus like many, we’re already on half term.

This needs to be said again and again.

Circuit breaker is a PR term, it sounds like it will work more effectively than lockdown.

The PR is clearly working

“Circuit Breaker“ is taken from Singapore where they’ve used this Terminology and system effectively through the Pandemic.

@GabsAlot

no he wont want to be seen to be doing something labour suggested

This!

no he wont want to be seen to be doing something labour suggested

It was suggested by SAGE wasn’t it? Starmer just took their suggestion.

For gods sake this virus is here to stay, why on earth would anyone want to go back in to lockdown? We need to get on with living, livelihoods and mental health depend on it. If you’re vulnerable then you need to take care of yourself but not at the expense of everyone else.

whats the point in very low incidence areas? surely it makes more sense to have local lockdowns as we are?

@cardibach I'm in Wales too and you are delusional if you think we are doing any better. Public Health Wales can't even get the figures out every day because there's a constant lag and we have the worst hit hospital in the UK.

Agree with @DominaShantotto totally.

@Bellesavage Ive suspended my Christmas spend until i know whats going on. I can imagine more ppl doing this which wont help the economy.

Can't see the point, two weeks won't make much difference and even if it did, we'd only be back to where we are now in less than a month.
And track and trace won't be up to speed in two weeks; even if it was, it really isn't the magic bullet that will control the virus, the spread is far more complex than that....

I don't think they will because they don't want to do what Starmer suggests or follow Wales.

I am in Wales but close to the English border and I feel frustrated that we will have the pain of a lockdown but if we do bring transmission down it will be undone by travel across the border (both ways - and for work as well as leisure). It does need to be a whole country approach or at least all high transmission areas for it to be successful.

For those asking what I expect to see after 2 week circuit breaker, the answer is nothing. However, 2 weeks later, I would expect number of cases to have stabilised, then a couple of weeks later, hospital admissions to have stabilised. No one should expect a circuit breaker to reduce cases. It is just a way to be take the virus' foot off the gas and give health services chance to take breath. It may be that in another couple of months, we gave to do it again, and then again. It's not trying to reduce numbers or R numbers like the lockdown and it shouldn't be treated as such.

People do realise that restrictions are being imposed all over Europe? Even Sweden. This is a general consensus view across many countries as the only way forward as bar Germany we’ve all failed to get a grip of this.

People seem to think we won’t get tighter restrictions yet the whole of Europe is tightening up daily. Bizarre. I know I’m a realist but blimey some people really do live their lives not facing reality.

No. Two weeks won't achieve anything in the medium to long term, and possibly not even much in the short term, especially given compliance just isn't going to be the same for Lockdown 2. And what happens when cases start rising again, as they always eventually do? Lockdown 3 in December? Lockdown 4 in February? What will compliance rates be by then?