Circuit break in england?

[Ilovegreentomatoes]

Do you think boris will announce one by the end of the week? It would make sense to coincide with schools half term.
I think we need one, cases rising everywhere with the potential of higher death rates.
All these tier lockdowns are rubbish and confusing imo a 2 week circuit break is the best way forward to keep things under some control.

@Laiste what do you suggest then as in learning to live with it. Take on a herd immunity approach?

What difference will two weeks make? We had to lock down for 10 weeks in March for it to have any kind of impact.

Unfortunately I think if he does announce it, lots of people will ignore and lots of businesses will go bust with no financial support.

@Bellabelles

There is no point in having a circuit break - it will just damage the economy further and once it’s over cases will start to rise again. People are also not going to comply with further restrictions, everyone has had enough!

The rising cases will affect the economy soon too.

God I hope not but I have a sinking feeling they will. Just so we can get to the same place again by the end of November ...

@HelloMissus

I think Keir fucked it by demanding one. Now Boris can’t capitulate.

He could if he wasn’t a fucking arrogant tosser. But hey ho. He is. So you’re probably right.

If track and trace the answer then we are fucked only 1 in 5 isolate properly.
You can have the best track and trace system in the world but the hard truth is the majority won't comlpy .
We hear all sorts of figures about how many people traced ( about 60%) the problem is a lot of people give false details or won't answer the 0330 number or withheld number any system is as good as the information that goes in .
The easy option is to blame the government rather than people take some personal responsibility .
Our rules are far from perfect but if people followed them it would only improve the situation.
The amount of people who are like petulant kids just repeating there confused then find out for yourself from gov website.
They have tried to do restrictions to cover EVERYONES circumstance which there are millions of permitations .
We had a national lockdown the 90 days later back to square one we need restrictions we can live with locking down long term is not a feasible option.
We need to be more realistic what we can achieve we can't get rid of covid we need to live with it .

Im in Wales ( where it hasn't actually been announced yet ) and think it's a complete and utter waste of time
Killing the economy stone dead and giving small businesses more hurdles to climb

The fact is they won’t allow hospitals to become over run. So that means we’re looking at more restrictions over winter till they can change the course of this with testing/vaccination in a few months.

They really have messed this up but there’s no other option. Gov nor the majority of the public (when reality hits) will accept a situation where our hospitals aren’t functioning at all.

@Doilooklikeatourist

Im in Wales ( where it hasn't actually been announced yet ) and think it's a complete and utter waste of time Killing the economy stone dead and giving small businesses more hurdles to climb

I agree. Does Wales have to get more Westminster funding to do it do you know?

@Laiste

We need to settle down and find a way to live with it not keep shutting the whole fucking country down.

Totally agree, can't circuit break an endemic virus, we have to learn to live with it. I'm more worried about the excess deaths that have been/will be caused by lockdowns - suicides, cancer deaths from delayed diagnoses and stopped treatments, huge increase in cardiac deaths.

I’m in the midlands and we’re on 2 weeks break now!

It's not sounding like this is a serious option anymore. Michael Gove said that there wouldn't be one this morning, so extremely embarrassing (though not unusual!) to do another u turn by Friday.

As Boris says, staying at home in a Cornwall isn't going to help the situation in Manchester. The only way for this to be controlled is if people actually follow the restrictions that are already in place, I don't think this is happening at the moment. I imagine that Boris' thinking is that if it gets really bad up north, perhaps that's what it's going to take for people to actually do as they have been told to do. It isn't a matter of government policy, it is how to actually get people to comply with the policy, Chinese style police state not being an option. Do we need the NHS to be overwhelmed, somewhere in the country, for that to happen?

cardi politics tho innit?
If Keir Han been serious rather than trying to be seen to tackle Boris, he’d have gone about it differently.

In one way I think they might because I've heard rumours about a half term lockdown for ages and maybe it was the plan all along. On the other hand if he can't even get Manchester into tier 3 will people comply with a full lockdown?

@Ilovegreentomatoes

So do we just standby and let the virus get out of control?

What do you perceive as “out of control”?

And the effective test, trace, isolate which can cope when the numbers aren’t so huge. But Johnson won’t sort that either, so you’re probably right, it’s probably pointless in England. 63% tracing of conacts. It’s 96% in Wales.

And the covid rate in Wales is so much better than England 🙄.

Quite simply OP it would achieve nothing apart from economic misery.

@MarshaBradyo , I have no idea , I'm guessing the Welsh Govt have no idea either but don't want to fund it themselves , so will blame Westminster for everything anyway

If they did it won't be two weeks because they won't have the data by two weeks to see if it's had any impact and they can't stop it without knowing if it's had an impact, so it'll be "we will reassess in another 3 weeks" and then it'll be limping into Christmas on lockdown which would screw the economy even if the hand wringers would love the idea of reporting their neighbours for daring to see their granny on Christmas day or whatnot.

Tell me how a 2 week circuit break works, and what would you expect to see at the end of the 2 weeks?

They also have the financial implications of Long Covid they don’t understand enough to let this run through the whole population they just won’t allow it to happen. It’s not even an opinion it’s fact. They’ve left it so late their only option will be more restrictions over winter to get numbers lower.

@Laiste

We need to settle down and find a way to live with it not keep shutting the whole fucking country down.

That’s it exactly.

We need to accept that it is here and we all need to take responsibility for our own actions and do what we can to keep those around us safe. If we all acted sensibly and minimised contacts where we can then the numbers shouldn’t rise so much..

Wales’ data is better than England’s in recent weeks

I think you need to check out the up to date infection rates

@Bellesavage

If they did it won't be two weeks because they won't have the data by two weeks to see if it's had any impact and they can't stop it without knowing if it's had an impact, so it'll be "we will reassess in another 3 weeks" and then it'll be limping into Christmas on lockdown which would screw the economy even if the hand wringers would love the idea of reporting their neighbours for daring to see their granny on Christmas day or whatnot.

Exactly. Nothing will change in 2 weeks. So what do they do at the end? If they continue it, then we’re back to the “we’ll review in 3 weeks” and we’re essentially in indefinite lockdown again. If they abandon it as it didn’t work, then we did 2 weeks of lockdown for nothing, which would be hard for the population to stomach.

@Chickychickydodah

I’m in the midlands and we’re on 2 weeks break now!

I’m in the midlands and I haven’t been told this

The purpose of the original lockdown was to stop the nhs getting overwhelmed so in that respect it worked. I will define out of control when r rate is above one which I believe it is everywhere.