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Dealing with a toxic EX, Am I being unreasonable?

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Hover93 · 16/10/2020 10:32

Ladies, I need your help. Me and my ex partner split up some time ago, we have 2 children together and we get on really well, have a good relationship co- parenting our girls and still being friends.

We both have new partners now, my new partner has 4 children two boys aged 15 and 13 and two girls ages 6 and 5. The boys are older an dont really like staying over they want to be on there computers or seeing their friends/girlfriends typical teenage boys however, the girls we have stay over.

This is where it gets difficult and I need advice regarding his difficult ex.

So we have his girls every Wednesday over night an take them school the next day and then give them tea on Thursday before taking them home and then we don't have them again untill the following Wednesday but then that week we have them Wednesday night, Friday night, Saturday night an take them home Sunday night. So basically every other weekend we have them all weekend. But still 8 times over the month. We told his ex we would start bringing the girls back at 2pm every Sunday so we had a couple of hours break before my girls came home an we had work the next day. But she refused an said we cannot bring them home untill bedtime as shes out and made plans as thats her weekend and its our problem to sort them.

My girls stay at there dads every Saturday night and sometimes 1 night in the week depending on what shifts he works. My partner has started a new job now which also requires him to work away some weeks, we have asked his ex if we can change the days having the girls from ever other full weekend to every Friday night instead. This would mean every Wednesday and Friday they stay with us, he even asked his mother if every other Saturday she would have the girls so his ex could still have a full weekend with no girls. The reason we wanted to change is because of his new job for one but also because the way it fell it meant we only had 2 days a month with no children to be able to do anything, I may sound like I'm being selfish but everybody needs some time especially new relationships.

Basically his ex has refused an said it doesnt suit her and the girls are in a routine with every other full weekend and thats how its staying. Without sounding petty and like I'm having a go at her the girls are not in any routine. Here is a couple of examples: last week we was told we can't drop the girls off untill 8pm on Sunday because she was out, 8pm came an she said she aint getting the girls she won't be back we will have to sort them David asked what time was there bedtime as it was a school night, she replied what ever time I put them to bed. So no routine which we already new anyway. So we kept the girls, bare in mind not only were they in school the next day but we also had no clothes/uniform for them alls they brought with them on the Friday was the clothes they were wearing, a coat and there tablets. We were not suprised by this anymore and had already bought an entire new wardrobe for the pair of them for when they are with us as they always looked homeless. The first time they came there bag consisted of 1 pair of knickers, 1 pair of leggings, 1 pyjama tshirt and 1 tshirt which was full of crusty food. Its really sad too see as they cry an want to take their stuff home when they go but I refuse as it doesn't come back.

The weekend that she is meant to have them she takes them to my partners mothers an she xmas them while she goes out or the boys look after them. I'm concerned for the girls in general, they sleep on metal camping beds, the only time they have a bath or shower is with us, they even questioned why we make them brush there teeth as they never have to do it at home, there late for school almost everyday even though the school in 10 doors down from there house, they even refuse to eat my food because "its tastes disgusting when its not made in a microwave"

We had to take the one of the boys shopping and buy him a toothbrush an toothpaste because they didn't have one and we found out for months he was either not brushing his teeth or having to use his brothers

Anyway so I've gone of a rant now but basically, I want to know of we are being unreasonable asking to change the days to every Wednesday and Friday instead of every other weekend?

OP posts:
Techway · 16/10/2020 13:12

we only had 2 days a month with no children to be able to do anything, I may sound like I'm being selfish but everybody needs some time especially new relationships

Tough! He has 4 children and your relationship is new. His children come first.

He needs to deal with the new job separately and arrange care for his children when he is working. The normal schedule is one night a week and EOW, Friday to Sunday.

Why do his children have to curtail their time with dad (to suit you), yet your children don't have to curtail time with their Dad?? You would be raging if your Ex dropped them back early on Sundays or decided to only have Saturdays.

Can you not see the hypocrisy?

Halliehallie9828 · 16/10/2020 13:16

@Hover93

I'm not a new girlfriend weve been together years and never changed the agreement untill now because of his shift it so so happened it would benefit our time too
I may sound like I'm being selfish but everybody needs some time especially new relationships

You are clearly making it up as you go along as your original OP says NEW RELATIONSHIP!

CovidStoleTheRainbow · 16/10/2020 13:22

@Notimeforaname

So many spelling mistakes 🙄
Unless you deliberately spell 'and' as 'an' then I think you're doing alright.....
Hover93 · 16/10/2020 13:32

If she did they wouldn't be at his mothers, and if she had a plan let us know we can drop them earlier an arrange to make the time up another time. Not an issue really isit?

OP posts:
Hover93 · 16/10/2020 13:33

A new relationship to me is in the early years as I've been with my ex since I was 16!

OP posts:
Hover93 · 16/10/2020 13:36

I didnt realise I was sitting an English exam

Quickest way too type, apologises for meeting your standard.

OP posts:
Hover93 · 16/10/2020 13:40

Read the actual commet pays almost £100 more than csa suggest, he actually £300 an pays for everything they need, school dinners, school fees, all school uniforms ect.. not to mention the boys are at ours having tea id say 4 nights out of 7 anyway and the girls when there with us.

So no actually he pays more than enough an provides more than he needs to for his children.

OP posts:
Hover93 · 16/10/2020 13:43

Neither does she

OP posts:
Florencex · 16/10/2020 13:45

@Hover93

A new relationship to me is in the early years as I've been with my ex since I was 16!
Nobody refers to a relationship of a few years “new”. Not even you. You are a new girlfriend who wants new boyfriend to spend less time with his children so you can have some Sunday afternoon romance.
CovidStoleTheRainbow · 16/10/2020 13:47

Out if interest, what makes the ex 'toxic'?

Waveysnail · 16/10/2020 13:48

Why on earth isnt he pushing for full custody?

harriethoyle · 16/10/2020 13:51

YABVU - and just changing your story as you go along in an effort to get people to agree with you. These poor children...

fekinekkerslike · 16/10/2020 13:51

Honestly I wonder how some of you get through life with you massive f*cking blinkers on.

The OP and her partner have asked to rearrange the days they have the kids not reduce them and also made arrangements for grandparents to have them too.
The new job is potentially more money, a career advancement or beneficial for a future role.

How much do you expect him to pay for the kids?
As the OP stated they used the calculator and it worked out at £218 per month, work that back the OP's partner is not a high earner. There will still be costs for mortgage/rent, bills, food, travel expenses etc. But I suppose you all expect the OP and her partner to not have living costs too or you wouldn't be thinking he could pay more right?

The OP stated that they have clothes for the children for when they stay but why would you expect a uniform there? They come from school on a Wednesday its washed for the morning for school.. no need to have a full spare incase the ex wants to please herself. Again it comes down to the expectation the the OP's partner is holding back on the money...

Just because the OP is having a rant about the ex doesn't mean she wants to neglect the children, OP is trying to make a plan so that her partner can work still see is kids, see her kids and if at all possible maybe have a little time for some child free romance!!
SHOCKINGLY the OP and her partner might want a cheeky trip to cinemas or a meal childfree on occasion!!
I'm married with kids and I still hope for an overnight sitter so I can have some time as a couple!!

But the OP got it wrong expecting support here... because the majority of the posters here must be from the mumsnet bubble where everyone earns a fortune, ex partners come over for xmas dinner and braid each others hair and no one questions the partners ex's parenting because there buddies and one big happy fuckity family!!

CovidStoleTheRainbow · 16/10/2020 13:54

I know we aren't allowed to troll hunt but are we allowed to call out a sock puppet?

Florencex · 16/10/2020 13:55

@Hover93

Read the actual commet pays almost £100 more than csa suggest, he actually £300 an pays for everything they need, school dinners, school fees, all school uniforms ect.. not to mention the boys are at ours having tea id say 4 nights out of 7 anyway and the girls when there with us.

So no actually he pays more than enough an provides more than he needs to for his children.

He pays £10 a week for each child! How can you possibly think this is “more than enough”? OMG you are vile. There is more to raising a child than feeding them, his mother has to provide a roof over their heads for the 90% of the time she looks after them.
Hover93 · 16/10/2020 13:56

I wish

OP posts:
CovidStoleTheRainbow · 16/10/2020 13:57

@Hover93

I wish
OP, what about the ex makes her toxic?
dottiedodah · 16/10/2020 14:17

This is difficult for you ,I can see that.However if you have children and are in a second relationship ,it stands to reason that time "together" will be limited .I think at the moment you will have to let the arrangements stand ,any attempts from you to change things will be detrimental to the DC .Does your DP have to take the new job?Working away some weeks will be hard for you ,but its not really his exs problem that you wont see much of one another sadly .This is the reality for most "blended " families and a major reason why many split up!As far as the girls are concerned ,DP should be contacting SS with any concerns he may have regarding their welfare .They would most likely be placed with you rather than an adoptive family I would think .Are these concerns real or do you think the girls may be playing you to get attention? Just a thought but surely if the girls are unwashed ,late for School and in dirty clothes the Teachers would have noticed ?

Florencex · 16/10/2020 14:22

@fekinekkerslike

Honestly I wonder how some of you get through life with you massive f*cking blinkers on.

The OP and her partner have asked to rearrange the days they have the kids not reduce them and also made arrangements for grandparents to have them too.
The new job is potentially more money, a career advancement or beneficial for a future role.

How much do you expect him to pay for the kids?
As the OP stated they used the calculator and it worked out at £218 per month, work that back the OP's partner is not a high earner. There will still be costs for mortgage/rent, bills, food, travel expenses etc. But I suppose you all expect the OP and her partner to not have living costs too or you wouldn't be thinking he could pay more right?

The OP stated that they have clothes for the children for when they stay but why would you expect a uniform there? They come from school on a Wednesday its washed for the morning for school.. no need to have a full spare incase the ex wants to please herself. Again it comes down to the expectation the the OP's partner is holding back on the money...

Just because the OP is having a rant about the ex doesn't mean she wants to neglect the children, OP is trying to make a plan so that her partner can work still see is kids, see her kids and if at all possible maybe have a little time for some child free romance!!
SHOCKINGLY the OP and her partner might want a cheeky trip to cinemas or a meal childfree on occasion!!
I'm married with kids and I still hope for an overnight sitter so I can have some time as a couple!!

But the OP got it wrong expecting support here... because the majority of the posters here must be from the mumsnet bubble where everyone earns a fortune, ex partners come over for xmas dinner and braid each others hair and no one questions the partners ex's parenting because there buddies and one big happy fuckity family!!

They have asked to reduce the time and Lao the quality of the time. They want to swap a whole weekend with a few hours after school on a Friday.
Florencex · 16/10/2020 14:22

*also

Lolapusht · 16/10/2020 14:25

@fekinekkerslike I did wonder if I was reading the same thread as everyone else! If CMS has come up with “such a low figure” then I’m guessing the OP’s husband isn’t a high earner, why are people not seeing that and just shouting at the OP?! He even pays more than CMS says he should. The sons also see their dad every other night, he provides a full wardrobe, pays for all school expenses and the mum can’t arrange to be at home at bedtime, doesn’t do bedtime or teeth brushing and drops them off at exMIL’s but she’s the injured party?

Lolapusht · 16/10/2020 14:28

@Florencex did it occur to you that the reason the dad is only paying that amount is because he is in a low earning job and maybe had to accept a job with weekend shifts because not everyone has the opportunity to earn £50k with flexi time? Doesn’t sound like the mum does have them 90% of the time and she can’t provide them with a regular bedtime, make sure they brush their teeth or buy the son toothpaste.

S111n20 · 16/10/2020 14:34

Honestly I wonder how some of you get through life with you massive f*cking blinkers on.

The op is saying these kids are neglected...dirty....don’t brush teeth...look homeless and her or her partner haven’t called ss to have them full time. Have they fuck because they don’t want them all the time she’s moaning about wanting free time but moaning there been neglected. Ffs get a grip op

lyralalala · 16/10/2020 14:48

@fekinekkerslike

Honestly I wonder how some of you get through life with you massive f*cking blinkers on.

The OP and her partner have asked to rearrange the days they have the kids not reduce them and also made arrangements for grandparents to have them too.
The new job is potentially more money, a career advancement or beneficial for a future role.

How much do you expect him to pay for the kids?
As the OP stated they used the calculator and it worked out at £218 per month, work that back the OP's partner is not a high earner. There will still be costs for mortgage/rent, bills, food, travel expenses etc. But I suppose you all expect the OP and her partner to not have living costs too or you wouldn't be thinking he could pay more right?

The OP stated that they have clothes for the children for when they stay but why would you expect a uniform there? They come from school on a Wednesday its washed for the morning for school.. no need to have a full spare incase the ex wants to please herself. Again it comes down to the expectation the the OP's partner is holding back on the money...

Just because the OP is having a rant about the ex doesn't mean she wants to neglect the children, OP is trying to make a plan so that her partner can work still see is kids, see her kids and if at all possible maybe have a little time for some child free romance!!
SHOCKINGLY the OP and her partner might want a cheeky trip to cinemas or a meal childfree on occasion!!
I'm married with kids and I still hope for an overnight sitter so I can have some time as a couple!!

But the OP got it wrong expecting support here... because the majority of the posters here must be from the mumsnet bubble where everyone earns a fortune, ex partners come over for xmas dinner and braid each others hair and no one questions the partners ex's parenting because there buddies and one big happy fuckity family!!

I wonder that too. How on earth is someone who claims their partner's ex massively neglects their children being supported by anyone in reducing the time those children spend with them?

Why can't the OP and her partner have their "cheeky trip to the cinema" every other Saturday when they are childfree?

Jellytottheif · 16/10/2020 14:50

If you and your DP had children together you wouldn’t have any child free time (unless you had a babysitter).
Just because you’re now a blended family doesn’t entitle you to child free days. You need to do what’s best for the children and accept this is the life you chose once you blended family.

My DS is almost 1 and I’ve never had a ‘child free’ day / night / weekend.... funnily enough because we’re a family now.

If you need a break or want a night / evening away get a sitter or a relative to watch the children.

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