Annoyed that its mostly people in safe jobs that are calling for full lockdown

[dogmad170]

Both mine and my husbands jobs are at severely at risk as we both work in hospitality. I am very swiftly losing patience with people in cushy jobs, where they can easily work from home and where there is little risk of redundancy calling for another full lockdown. Feel like we are being thrown to the wolves! Anyone in the same boat want to vent!

I voted YABU because you cannot possible know that it is only people in safe jobs that are in support of a circuit breaker full lockdown. I don’t believe this to be the case ad frankly, who are all these people in ‘safe’ jobs? I don’t know anyone whose employment can remotely be regarded as safe.

I am stuck between a rock and a hard place tbh.
I am a supply teacher.
This means for me a lockdown = no work as all schools cover keyworker children in-house.
There has also been barely any work this term despite staff absence as many schools aren't sing supply.
Then add onto that schools whose bubbles have burst meaning no work as children sent home.
Then add to that the fact that I have to cover my own childcare if a child isolates. It has cost me 630 pounds in lost wages to do this once already.
By the same token teachers and cover staff are cannon fodder and many are without PPE, with different protocols for positives and pupil transmission not being addressed by the government - if my own pay was protected, instead of zero hours, then in all honesty I might also be supporting a second lockdown.
As it is, a lockdown could still allow me to work if work is available as I am also a keyworker - but with the increased risk of transmission from dc from keyworker bubbles if others are in higher risk areas and indeed if I am teaching keyworker children but I will be unable to hold down a job if schools completely shut down due to isolating: this is the key issue for everyone - the lack of childcare for children having to isolate for 14 days at a time.

@VillageGreenTree

I am loosing patience with people with low risk factors for COVID saying we should just let it rip through the population and take the hit of many many more thousands of deaths and an overwhelmed NHS. Finances can be recovered. You can't recover from death.

This.

What job does your DH do, @dogmad170?

We have had plenty of recessions before and no one has cared about preventing redundancies then.

@Sweetiecorn looks like covid is like Russian roulette, you might have it lightly, you might have it without any symptoms, you might require a ventilator ( (nd end up with permanent lung scarring or without) or die.
Are you willing to take a risk?

@Sweetiecorn

Where is the evidence of a fairly "high risk" of long-term disability for young people?

I'm off to bed. I've posted various articles from experts about Long Covid on previous threads. Also the government website has info on Long Covid. If no-one else has the time or inclination, I'll post them again tomorrow.

So far (with restrictions of some sort) it's estimated to affect 10% of patients. That's a significant proportion of the population. Many are younger and previously healthy. Lots had only mild cases of Covid that did not require hospitalisation.

It's clearly an issue. The NHS wouldn't be spending out on treatment clinics if he wasn't a big deal.

[quote FrenchBoule]@gjejgej go to Coronavirus section,I think there was a thread for long term COVID sufferers. Read that.
My DH is in high risk category,none of us can afford to stop working and if one of us goes down with permanent lung damage or dead then the remaining one is well and truly fucked financially and left in charge of bringing up 2 young kids one of whom has ASD.

Give me a fucking break. If it was a case of getting it andgetting over it I’d have hosted a covid party long time ago.[/quote]
For the overwhelming majority it is "a case of getting it and getting over it".

The school sector is a safe job in terms of permanent contracts/those no longer on probation giraffey - teachers and TAs either deliver to whoever is in school OR they work from home providing work for Virtual Learning Environments. The downside to this being that their jobs currently are not safe from Covid transmission whatsoever.

Oh and by the way: I’m sick of all these lockdowns,restrictions, stupid rules (kids sitting in a freezing room because windows must be opened to allowthe air in).
I’m not advocating lockdown but if people had listened the first time we wouldn’t be in this situation now.
And yes, I’m pissed off the the government with the attitude “one rule for you and one for us”

I wouldn’t so much mind if lockdowns actually worked.

The first lockdown certainly didn’t work, didn’t it. If it did we wouldn’t be getting threatened with another one, because we wouldn’t need one. The rona isn’t going anywhere. We can’t just keep shutting things down every few months for a months.

God knows what the answer is.

My job is "safe" in that as a front line HCP, I'm not going to be out of work anytime soon. But it's also unsafe in that I've seen colleagues die from Covid and was very ill with it myself.

ICU in our 3 nearest hospitals all full again.

Meanwhile some communities can hold huge funerals, covid positive politicians can travel wherever they like without fear of reprisals, but other people face £10k fines for breaking rules?

I just dont get it.

Start treating people equally Boris, irrespective of social class, job or race.

@gjejgej I don’t know if me or my DH are in the “majority” and this is where the problem lies. If one of us ends up dead or permanently disabled then fuck us and our kids then?They are 6 and 8, still not old enough to fend for themselves.

Oh wait, “I’m alright Jack”

Good for you.

Like I said before, if it was a case of getting it and getting over it I’d have hosted a covid party before. Neighbours 2 doors down had it and the one the other way works in the hospital so I could getit no problem if I really tried.

@SheepandCow sleep well

This.

The concept of ending the Covid pandemic through herd immunity is “a dangerous fallacy unsupported by scientific evidence”, say 80 researchers in a warning letter published by a leading medical journal.

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/14/ending-covid-19-via-herd-immunity-is-a-dangerous-fallacy

I find that it is normally middle class people in favour of a lockdown. I am working class, in a safe job but I am not hollering for a full lockdown. I am deeply worried about my vulnerable family members becoming ill with the virus but also increasing worried that due to the economic situation that many of our lives will be fucked forever. I read a report that already each person will have to pay over 100 pounds extra per month to pay for all this. They obviously will not take into account people’s other debts when issuing this tax bill. Many working class families, not entitled to any benefits are struggling already. I am really worried about that - as much as I am worried about the virus.

YANBU. It seems that way among my friendship groups also.
Those working from home, or in a job thats unlikely to disappear (or retired) are shouting for lockdown. And telling others who live paychec to paycheck, or are self employed and their business is dying on its arse now..that they are just selfish and should think of everyone else befre themselves

There are outliers of course, there will be with anything, but largely its the quite well off secure people shouting for lockdowns from what I have seen.

Our household income has halfed since March. The bills are still the same though.

[quote FrenchBoule]@gjejgej I don’t know if me or my DH are in the “majority” and this is where the problem lies. If one of us ends up dead or permanently disabled then fuck us and our kids then?They are 6 and 8, still not old enough to fend for themselves.

Oh wait, “I’m alright Jack”

Good for you.

Like I said before, if it was a case of getting it and getting over it I’d have hosted a covid party before. Neighbours 2 doors down had it and the one the other way works in the hospital so I could getit no problem if I really tried.[/quote]
Not really sure what point you're trying to make. I'm well aware of the existence of vulnerable people.

The company I work for is reliant on hospitality. Dh is self employed and didn't work/got no gov help for weeks during last last lockdown. It is crippling us financially. Ds(16)'s education is suffering in exam year.

I would support a complete short sharp lockdown 3-ish weeks to suppress the numbers again, with targetted financial support. We can scrape by, I can support ds's education. I would much rather that than I or anyone else grieves for a loved one or ends up with life changing health issues.

@NRatched

YANBU. It seems that way among my friendship groups also. Those working from home, or in a job thats unlikely to disappear (or retired) are shouting for lockdown. And telling others who live paychec to paycheck, or are self employed and their business is dying on its arse now..that they are just selfish and should think of everyone else befre themselves

There are outliers of course, there will be with anything, but largely its the quite well off secure people shouting for lockdowns from what I have seen.

Our household income has halfed since March. The bills are still the same though.

Hardly surprising given the demographic of Mumsnet users. Largely London/South-East based, middle class with cushy jobs which involve tapping away on a keyboard whilst sending a few emails. They pretend to care about the working class but, when push comes to shove, will gladly throw them under the bus to protect themselves from the big bad virus.

DP's job is as safe as anything (I don't work) but we most definitely do not want another lockdown. It will absolutely cripple this country.

@gjejgej the point I’m trying to make is that I DON’T KNOW if either me or DH can get covid without getting permanently disabled.
DH has progressive autoimmune disease that doesn’t have good prognosis in covid.
If he ends up permanently disabled or dead I have to give up work to look after kids and vice versa.

I don’t know if we’re going to get it and if so HOW we’ll sail it through (OR NOT).

And I’m not paranoid. I don’t run around the house with anti bac spray and all of us are outdoorsy.

Neither me or DH has fallback when it comes to death (except life insurance.

No family to help so our kids go into care.

Please don’t ask me “why I had the kids”

@rorosemary

Don't be angry with the people who want a lockdown, be angry with the people who don't distance or practice hygiene when they can and spread the virus.

Nah, anger should be directed at the pitiful government response IMO.

No way are the huge rises caused by a few not washing hands and distancing. If everyone followed 100% of the rules 100% of the time, it would spread regardless as its so contagious. It will rise, while people have contact with each other (or are even near each other).

Am so pissed off with the government over their fuckup with test and trace, as that could have made a huge difference. Also quite annoyed with the general public being blamed for the spread, when they were actively encouraged to go out and bloody mingle to spend money But people who did what they were asked to do, are in the wrong because numbers rise. Its all a joke. And not a very funny one.

I genuinely feel heartbroken for those loosing their businesses and jobs. I run a business that hasn’t been effected by Covid but my god do I feel for those that have worked hard for years / build up a career just to loose everything!

The virus isn’t going anywhere! A vaccine isn’t going to save the world (not for years anyway) and neither is a track and trace system. A lockdown for 2 weeks or 1 year isn’t going to eradicate this virus, we was told at beginning of all this the lockdown will not stop the virus only stop the burden on the NHS, the same is true to this day. Yes we have to stop the NHS becoming overwhelmed but if I was on a brink of loosing everything I would rather take my chances with a virus that has over 90% survival rate than loose my income and house.

Areas that have been locked down are still experiencing high Covid rates so clearly lockdowns are not effective. The government needs a new plan of action because we can not continue to let this country and people fall to pieces.

A two week lockdown is not going to get rid of covid.

As I understand it, 2 weeks wouldn't even show any changes with stats and such. Or thats what was said last time around, that you cannot see how well/badly a measure is doing until its been going for about 3 weeks.

So, this 2 week thing, the numbers have not started going down (as results wouldn't be clear until week 3, not week 2), what now? Of course, extension after extension, like last time. The pressure to keep it going would be mnumental, like last time (when so many switched from 'flatten the curve' to 'noone at all should be getting infected or dying, we need to stay like this!) and..well its just massively unrealistic in my view that this would be 2 weeks.

We had our chance to lockdown.... much much tighter than we actually did I. March. That was our chance it wasn’t severe enough though

I don't think it was anything to do with the strictness of the lockdown. See Spain. They had a very strict one, and are in a bad place again.

The issue was what we (and Spain) did after the lockdown. Well, what we didn't do is more accurate maybe

The first lockdown certainly didn’t work, didn’t it. If it did we wouldn’t be getting threatened with another one, because we wouldn’t need one

TBF, the first lockdown did work in that it achieved its aim, which was never to "get rid of coronavirus", but to ensure the health system didn't collapse by reducing the number of people requiring hospitalisation at that moment in time.

Everyone always admitted that once the lockdown ended, the numbers would simply rise again in a new wave, if good countermeasures weren't in place to prevent that. So the real issue is that if the government couldn't come up with a solid plan for that in the 2-month (or however long it was exactly) lockdown, what makes anyone think they'll be able to do it now, in just 2 weeks? The people in charge are completely inept.